# State of the Union: Factional Warfare & Frontlines **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [August 3, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264 "2022-08-03T16:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/103 "2022-08-05T05:15:08Z")
Pretty sure they already stated that changes in the warzone, and various events that pop up, would have an effect on what new things were released, to who it went to first, and even whether some sides would get a thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/104 "2022-08-05T10:01:28Z")
Yeah and Im sure thatll happen In another game ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/105 "2022-08-05T10:53:41Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > But why should I care? What is at stake for the faction if we win or lose? Ect. Those questions are key. > [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > EVE’s best as a place for telling emergent stories Exactly. become a group leader and tell me why should I care? Create the story and narrative to push enemy. It’s a sandbox. Players create stories. Not devs. Does current FW has any of this? No. Yet we get stuff like this:([Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/w7kgjl/amarrmil_takes_minmils_capital_system_amamake/) [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/w7lnnh/ushrakhan_official_statement_fall_of_amamake/)). If you can’t generate goals for yourself, kindly, go away from sandbox game and play something like idk. wow where hand holding and spoon feeding content is a thing. We don’t need and don’t want that here. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/106 "2022-08-05T10:55:01Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > What is at stake for the faction if we win or lose? Geographical landscape changes as far as I understand not just in low but the whole eve universe. ---
**Author:** ![Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitaula_kuusa_jouhinen/32/498716_2.png) [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitaula_Kuusa_Jouhinen)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/107 "2022-08-05T11:28:33Z")
Current FW, as well as FW for the past decade, has been stagnant and recieved little change. Pretty much every FW pilot wants some more attention paid to the system. And for your info, I want this narrative gameplay. Lots of people do. If you don’t like it, do something else. ---
**Author:** ![She\_Who\_Endures](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/she_who_endures/32/248243_2.png) [@She\_Who\_Endures](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/She_Who_Endures)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/108 "2022-08-05T15:12:12Z")
CCP Aurora, you said it was easy to limit implants in Novice plexes. Just do it. No meta 9 implants in novices. Other sites we can discuss but Novices, just do it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/109 "2022-08-05T15:46:57Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Yeah and Im sure thatll happen > > In another game Eh, that one’s easy enough for them to do. They’ve done it already. Player actions determined which T3D came out first, for example. > [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > What is at stake for the faction if we win or lose? I think the better question is: Is it even _possible_ to actually win, or will it always remain a tug-of-war over the same exact systems that none of the empires will ever secure? I mean, c’mon, Gaven, how many times have you guys had to put up with the ‘pendulum games’ criticism? Wouldn’t it be nice for victory to be _victory_, and not just ‘we’ll get you next season’? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/110 "2022-08-05T15:48:39Z")
Ah I actually completely misread that one, I assumed it was about borders and such. Doh ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/111 "2022-08-05T19:39:13Z")
> [@Marcus\_Ulpius\_Trajanus](#): > > If my understanding is correct, this would place pirate frigates like the Daredevil, Dramiel, Worm and Cruor in the same arena with T2 Assault Frigates. Would they be a match against Harpies, Ishkurs, Jaguars and Retributions? If somewhat bling fit pirate frigs, and decent pilot, against standard T2 frigs, most definitely. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/112 "2022-08-05T19:42:09Z")
> [@The\_Voice](#): > > So basically another nerf for farmers. Lvl 4 missions, Incursions, Abyssal sites, etc … is this way ------\> … Pvp specific content should not have to concern itself with the needs and wants of farmers. We’ve had ENOUGH of that spoiling the wargame we all wanted to play since the begining. So tired of roaming around and wasting my time for hours on end with farmers everywhere, populating our plexes and just logging in to avoid content and to deny it for others. Kindly ■■■■ off, basically. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Ulpius\_Trajanus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_ulpius_trajanus/32/324755_2.png) [@Marcus\_Ulpius\_Trajanus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Ulpius_Trajanus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/113 "2022-08-05T21:01:16Z")
Yeah that’s my point. Pirate ships don’t really quite match up to most T2 ships. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/114 "2022-08-05T21:36:30Z")
But they do. It really depends on the match-up. I can melt a long range fit retribution in my shield buff dramiel, and I could also out-dps a pulse laser fit in a blaster daredevil, or kite it with a garmur, etc … I am however, super glad that we’ll not be seeing ■■■■■■■ garmurs in T1 plexes though, what a relief, along with the Worm… those were just overused beyond stupid … ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/115 "2022-08-05T21:44:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Let’s be realistic for a moment: the reason why (the relatively small amount of) players “enjoy” FW is because it’s nothing but another PvE vector for them. Most FW members have never even shot at another player’s ship. If you count farmers, yea, that’s not very far off the state of FW currently. Otherwise no, we do shoot at eachother still … come visit sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/116 "2022-08-06T09:12:17Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > If you count farmers, yea, that’s not very far off the state of FW currently. > > Otherwise no, we do shoot at eachother still … come visit sometime. I’ve had an alt in FW for about a month. Started out getting used to the rules and LS space. Last week or so started engaging in 1 v 1 in T1 frigates. When you are the noob, very few fights even remotely look winable. But it’s a good time and I have a bunch of ships ready to lose. Most others enjoy the fights and the chats are lively. Where I am, Amaar / Minmatar space, the number of involved systems is a rather large blob without differentiation. Focusing conflict through the Frontline, Command Operations, etc. scheme is a definite plus. Plexing as part of a war effort seems a bit of a contrivance. It appears to be a proxy for taking and defending “ground” or in this case “space” and there is a slide bar in the system info area of your screen that measures the aggregated progress of your faction (not even sure if this is correct). For me there is a giant disconnect in this activity and what one would call “warfare”. Seems to me the attackers should be blowing things up and displacing the defenders with new structures, infrastructure, etc. And the defenders should be killing the attackers and blowing up their stuff. Trying to imagine content that would improve upon the plexing mechanic…(not a simple task)… ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/117 "2022-08-06T09:50:47Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > I am however, super glad that we’ll not be seeing ■■■■■■■ garmurs in T1 plexes though Ironically atron’s are garmers worst nightmares lol… But I agree worm/ succubus will beat all t2 fit ship’s unless they are really well floan. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/118 "2022-08-06T10:02:41Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Ironically atron’s are garmers worst nightmares lol… But I agree worm/ succubus will beat all t2 fit ship’s unless they are really well float. yes dual prop atron ftw, but still, perma-garmur pilots are just … urgh … ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/119 "2022-08-06T16:37:44Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No more standings losses. One of the reasons folks don’t go out and shoot people in so called low sec. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/120 "2022-08-06T16:46:34Z")
Wait till you run into my Hecate. It makes Garmurs cry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/121 "2022-08-06T17:27:28Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > of roaming around and wasting my time for hours on end with farmers everyw You could do arena you know ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264/122 "2022-08-06T19:14:00Z")
Wow, that’s a bit harsh, isn’t it? With the rapidly dropping player numbers one would think that encouraging people to stay engaged and playing Eve (especially long-time roleplayers like Gaven) would be the smarter move than to keep up the elitist crap. That “Go back to WoW” meme was hackneyed back when I joined in 2008. It hasn’t gotten any fresher since then and really needs to stop in light of the game’s current state of health. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/state-of-the-union-factional-warfare-frontlines/372264.md?page=7)