# ССР steals in-game money from players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 25, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714 "2020-03-25T07:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Artavod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artavod/32/193760_2.png) [@Artavod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artavod)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/1 "2020-03-25T07:44:43Z")
Probably too loud a name? BUT HOW CAN IT NOW BE CALLED? So what is the gist of the matter? I put a buy order in the trading system and at the same time pay the full cost of the goods I want to buy, plus I pay a commission to the broker. The Order is created, paid, and posted. A man comes and sells to me what I buy. and here the most interesting !!! I have already paid for the purchase of goods to the broker, but when I buy, I pay the price of the goods again !!! What is it if not theft ?! Of course, I can also lie, but you can check my words by entering the game and placing a purchase order for purchase. Remember how much money was withdrawn. Then sell the item to yourself and see what happens in the wallet. The great combiner Ostap Bender, who knew 400 ways of comparatively honest money taking from the population, would envy the scheme from the ССР ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/2 "2020-03-25T07:56:38Z")
![Data Laughing](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/c/dcdeabee6f9f8971b1abaf04599b9fa8a963cbc8.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/3 "2020-03-25T08:08:50Z")
Okay, double check your market logs to make sure you weren’t double billed. If you want, you can post a screenshot, and someone will take a look. Odds are this is just a misunderstanding. If it is not, however, you should file a support ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/4 "2020-03-25T08:15:21Z")
It’s actually not your money. It’s CCP’s money. It’s not even real money. Definitely not your fake money in any case. Therefore it’s not “theft”, because they can’t steal from themselves. Possession does not equal ownership. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg\_K77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oleg_k77/32/329549_2.png) [@Oleg\_K77](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oleg_K77)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/5 "2020-03-25T08:28:56Z")
> [@Artavod](#): > > I have already paid for the purchase of goods to the broker, but when I buy, I pay the price of the goods again !!! You don’t pay, when somebody sell you stuff, it subtract from amount you payed earlier and just show that sum in log. If you online in that particular moment, you can see floating “tooltip” with red “0”. Relax. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/6 "2020-03-25T08:35:41Z")
> [@Artavod](#): > > Of course, I can also lie I don’t think you’re deliberately lying but … ---
**Author:** ![Artavod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artavod/32/193760_2.png) [@Artavod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artavod)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/7 "2020-03-25T09:57:06Z")
[quote=“Solstice\_Projekt, post:4, topic:227714, full:true”] It’s actually not your money. It’s CCP’s money. not stolen from me, but from my character. such actions will lead to sad consequences ---
**Author:** ![Artavod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artavod/32/193760_2.png) [@Artavod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artavod)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/8 "2020-03-25T10:03:00Z")
> [@Oleg\_K77](#): > > You don’t pay, when somebody sell you stuff, it subtract from amount you payed earlier and just show that sum in log. If you online in that particular moment, you can see floating “tooltip” with red “0”. > Relax. maybe I’m a fool, but I can count! when I put a dozen orders with the character, he had very few funds left. I transferred an additional amount to his account from the main account and then did not conduct any operations for a month. out of 100 million ISK only 2. where did the rest go? no need to argue, this can be checked by entering the game ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/9 "2020-03-25T10:03:39Z")
> [@Artavod](#): > > such actions will lead to sad consequences They already have This thread ---
**Author:** ![Artavod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artavod/32/193760_2.png) [@Artavod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artavod)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/10 "2020-03-25T10:07:10Z")
[Vals Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder) I don’t think you’re deliberately lying but … I am a man, respectively, I can lie and be mistaken, but numbers are a stubborn thing ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Sakimura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_sakimura/32/382213_2.png) [@ISD\_Sakimura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Sakimura)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/11 "2020-03-25T10:12:10Z")
When placing a buy order you are billed for the total amount + fees; now when some one sells to your buy order, yes, a transaction record will be put into your wallet but no additional isk is withdrawn from your wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/12 "2020-03-25T11:42:28Z")
It’s as ISD Sakimura says. Look at it this way, when placing a buy order the isk is removed from your account (wallet) and put into another account which is also yours. That other account is used to cover the buy order so the amount will get less as you receive goods from that buy order. If you cancel the buy order you get the remaining isk back minus fees. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/13 "2020-03-25T12:50:29Z")
There used to be this skill called margin trading where you don’t put the full price of a buy order into the market and have to cover the rest from your wallet. This sounds like what you are describing. Lucky for your misunderstanding this skill has been removed so you can’t misunderstand anything. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/14 "2020-03-25T12:53:45Z")
> [@Artavod](#): > > I am a man, Are you? And if you are; who cares. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/15 "2020-03-25T13:47:36Z")
I sexually identify as an Apache attack heli… Aw shite wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/16 "2020-03-25T13:54:55Z")
> [@Artavod](#): > > I am a man That’s nice, but is it relevant? What would be helpful is a sequence of actions that allows to reproduce that double loss of money you described. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/18 "2020-03-25T14:08:25Z")
I’m with the OP here. _Taxation is theft_. Probably Broker Fees too! Should CCP should be taking money from the good people, the producers, solely for the reason that they are good? I think not, for that is a work of evil. > So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal wlth one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil? - Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ OP, I suggest you find some like-minded people of reason to stand with you against the looting of your ISK by CCP. Maybe start with this guy: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/9/6/5963948b373fdabd08e822083da2c023242430e7.jpeg "Hatred for good in EVE online") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuvFX9pVf3g) If anyone knows how to get in touch with the John Galt of Eve Online, it would be him. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg\_K77](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oleg_k77/32/329549_2.png) [@Oleg\_K77](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oleg_K77)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/19 "2020-03-25T14:16:47Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > EDIT: Yes, this means that there is still plenty of “Fake” buy orders and the margin trading scam will be long lived until these buy orders finally expire. It will take awhile for this scam to end because either someone has to use them or they are used to make other players put up their own buy orders at a higher price which means they almost never get cancelled. You can’t update such orders anymore? At least, that what patch notes said: > Existing \<100% escrow orders will remain until they expire/complete, but they cannot be created/extended any more. > [https://www.eveonline.com/article/q6z2qy/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release](https://www.eveonline.com/article/q6z2qy/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release) If it true, all \<100% escrow orders will expire in June or earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/21 "2020-03-25T14:40:26Z")
There are 2 fees associated with a market order - seller always pays the transaction tax at the time the transaction occurs. Brokerage is always paid by the player creating the order and is paid when the order is placed. “Trading frictions” are a normal part of doing business in game or in the real world. Build them into your cost. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714/22 "2020-03-25T14:46:40Z")
Man, asking on the forums how things work because you don’t fully understand them is fine. Willing to come to a public forum to let everybody know what a silly clueless whiner you are is… well, up to you… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/steals-in-game-money-from-players/227714.md?page=2)