# Still a terrible Solo/PvE Combat experience, what are y'alls experience? **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [September 7, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432 "2020-09-07T17:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anemic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anemic/32/293149_2.png) [@Anemic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anemic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/1 "2020-09-07T17:28:27Z")
I am an again returning player who continually has bashed my head against the terrible PvE combat mission system in this game. The risk/reward is insanely bad compared to any other MMO. The mission briefs are pretty garbage and give you no idea as to what you will be facing, though they will give you a page of useless flavor txt. A large number of them take you trig invasion areas making them impossible. On top of that they will regularly send you on near suicide missions that ether require a fleet or 2-3 different fits required with no proper warning. God forbid you accidently accept a “anomic” mission you will lose everything. From what I have experienced the missions system has not become any better, but has instead become a cluster of half assed attempts to expand the content? The only other option I have found for solo/PvE is abyssals and they are even worse risk/reward than the missions unless your talking t4/t5. And even then you lose it all if you have a disconnect or make a minor mistake. I am wondering if this is most other players issues with the solo/PvE experience in the game? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/2 "2020-09-07T17:29:29Z")
🔴 I like the experience of missions, especially particular missions like The Assault or Police Invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Anemic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anemic/32/293149_2.png) [@Anemic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anemic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/3 "2020-09-07T17:52:13Z")
Sure there are a few missions when you have run them provide an enjoyable experience. That said this game has terrible player retention and I think part of it is the terrible mission system and solo pve content. I almost things have gotten worse with their attempts to add content without fixing what is a fundamentally flawed mission system. I was just wondering if people were having similar experiences. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/4 "2020-09-07T19:10:35Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/1/7148d3511f344293330e2db1ef5e6e2e151c4a81.jpeg "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/k1UqvZz) Well, I gave my answer to you in the other thread like this one you made. > [@Worst PvE Combat Mission System Ever?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/worst-pve-combat-mission-system-ever/265423/11): > > I grinded up some standing recently in order to gain some access to level IV’s to see what they were like and for research agents. Turns out I hate running missions. The other thing I enjoyed doing way back in the day was run Cosmic Anomalies, you barely had to pay attention in highsec but now with the Triglavian content and I dunno if it’s alpha clones being limited to nothing else worth doing so now they are super over-farmed or botted or who knows what. Plus I think I’ve read that CCP has ner… ---
**Author:** ![Anemic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anemic/32/293149_2.png) [@Anemic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anemic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/5 "2020-09-07T19:13:49Z")
Xuxe, That bored huh troll? Thanks for the outstanding feedback. Have fun responding to your own comments. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/6 "2020-09-07T19:24:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/7 "2020-09-07T20:04:43Z")
This might be a better spot for me to suggest this than the other thread and maybe something the CSM can take with them to Iceland; would CCP consider making it so the other rat types would escalate like they do in Serpentis and Guristas spaces? Angel Hideways for example don’t escalate to 3/10’s. Gurista and Serpentis ones do though. It’d give more reasons for players, new and old to spread out and farm different areas. ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/8 "2020-09-08T02:46:07Z")
> [@Anemic](#): > > The risk/reward is insanely bad compared to any other MMO. Risk in missions is about the lowest of any PVE activity. And if you want to maximize your efficiency you can make damn good money for HS income. > [@Anemic](#): > > The mission briefs are pretty garbage and give you no idea as to what you will be facing, though they will give you a page of useless flavor txt. So an attempt at lore and story is a bad thing for PVE? As pointed out there are plenty of guides to list the details if you don’t want the surprise yourself (which is true for pretty much EVERY game’s PVE). > [@Anemic](#): > > A large number of them take you trig invasion areas making them impossible. Welcome to invasions. They are wreaking havoc all over High sec. But I’m pretty sure that is, yea by design. The invasion will not last forever. > [@Anemic](#): > > On top of that they will regularly send you on near suicide missions that ether require a fleet or 2-3 different fits required with no proper warning. Citation needed. I can’t think of any near suicide missions I’ve run. Sure the mission system is old. It’s static. And it gets boring. But every repeatable PVE in every game i’ve played is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/9 "2020-09-08T20:42:46Z")
The mission system is the worst PvE in the game. It’s also some of the oldest and most poorly coded, so changing it is well nigh impossible. I have forced myself to run some level 4s every week or so just to remind me that they suck. I hope that this is an area that gets more attention, and I will keep bringing it up. As an aside, I also fully expect to hear massive levels of bitching and moaning if they ever decide to remove them from the game, even if it is to replace them with something better. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/10 "2020-09-08T21:51:56Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I also fully expect to hear massive levels of bitching and moaning if they ever decide to remove them from the game, even if it is to replace them with something better. ## QFT ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/11 "2020-09-08T22:12:19Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I have forced myself to run some level 4s every week or so just to remind me that they suck. Exactly how do they suck ? Not that I don’t agree, but more details may be interesting. Do you mean that they become repetition too fast ? That there is no challenge ? Did you try several different fits ? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/12 "2020-09-08T22:34:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Exactly how do they suck ? Not that I don’t agree, but more details may be interesting. > > Do you mean that they become repetition too fast ? That there is no challenge ? > Did you try several different fits ? Boring, repetitive, too easy, mindless, and they pay poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/13 "2020-09-08T22:37:32Z")
Yeah, but do you run burner missions and level 5’s? I hear the Minmatar agent in Amamake gives out missions that aren’t mindless. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/14 "2020-09-08T23:04:09Z")
Naw, don’t have the patience for all the pulling. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/15 "2020-09-08T23:10:16Z")
Yeah, I thought I was losing my mind. I was like, “didn’t I already reply to this guy?” @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode This thread is redundant. He already created another thread that said almost the exact same thing. > [@Worst PvE Combat Mission System Ever?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/worst-pve-combat-mission-system-ever/265423): > > I am a again returning player who continually has bashed my head against the terrible PvE combat mission system in this game. The risk/reward is insanely bad compared to any other MMO. The mission briefs are pretty garbage and give you no idea as to what you will be facing. And they will regularly send you on near suicide missions that ether require a fleet or 2-3 different fits required with no proper warning. God forbid you accidently accept a “anomic” mission you will lose everything. From wh… ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/16 "2020-09-08T23:18:52Z")
Closed for redundancy. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-a-terrible-solo-pve-combat-experience-what-are-yalls-experience/265432/17 "2020-09-08T23:18:55Z")