# Still Griefing New Players :parrotdad: **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 7, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396 "2022-11-07T19:35:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/313 "2022-11-24T07:55:26Z")
> [@Chupi\_fantastika](#): > > I always curious about why this capsulers gank orcas, if you check zkilloboard usually the ORCA drop its 10 to 50 millions only but they need to spend up to 80M in ship for get the kill. Its have no sense. Because they can and because they enjoy it. Yes there is no profit from doing this, but we don’t care. I mean, there are two kinds of gankers: 1. Those who gank to earn profit to fund another activity elsewhere or to fund further ganking if that is all they do. 2. Those who are farming ISK or just paying cash to fund the ganking. (Which includes regular corp/alliance members who does not need to farm ISK as they get free ships from SRP or bounty payouts for killing stuff - utimately someone has to grind for those ships to be granted/money to be paid.) This is PvP game, so why is it suprising, that some players are spending their wealths to destroy other players’ ships? What else is there to farm ISK for? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/314 "2022-11-24T08:38:44Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > This is PvP game, so why is it suprising, that some players are spending their wealths to destroy other players’ ships? > > What else is there to farm ISK for? What’s surprising to me is that CCP declared “having fun” is griefing. You have to have a profit motive or else “[morally] bad player”. Which is kind of against the whole idea of video games in the first place. If I want to unprofitably blow up spaceships and shout “Yeeee-hawww!” while doing it and cackling like a raving lunatic, and having fun all the while, CCP’s blog post basically goes: “Well we’re in bed with the ISK min-maxing farmers, what you’re doing is griefing because you suck at making ISK from PVP, here’s the elitist PVP gate, and you fail to meet the bar, we don’t care that you’re having fun, you’re now a morally bad ~~player~~ griefer.” In my mind CCP is actively hostile to the idea of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/315 "2022-11-24T09:15:05Z")
I think CCP staff is divided on the issue. Some staff members are carebears, intent on converting the game into a Minecraft creative mode server. However, not everyone has this attitude. > **[Capsule | Naemeless | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/104912271/)** > > Naemeless (Expert Games and Theroies) lost their Capsule in Riavayed (Devoid) Total Value: 946,751,353.65 ISK I just griefed this guy, for NO PROFIT. Where are the antigankers? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/316 "2022-11-24T09:33:22Z")
^ that doesn’t look like grief Take a longer look at the history [Guristas] had caused more destruction to that Miner. kekw ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/317 "2022-11-24T10:09:41Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > 99% of the time, gankers **are** the “line crossers”…deal with it. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/c/a5cf29e9f72993eecc4d85a00bba7abc75ae497d.gif) > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Aiko is relatively new to EVE LOL No she is not, she has always been lurking in the shadows ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/6/0169d3918b60ffd06cddc7acea1d05a1a8ddd6e1.gif) > [@x123xxx](#): > > Why would anyone be so silly? Carebears are evil ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/6/9/8698a1b88b5aead71109092d072775e1650092e1.webp) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/318 "2022-11-24T11:13:20Z")
I gank, and some times the miner has isk with him… sometimes not. My activity allows me to fund further ganks no matter if they are blingy or not. And I have fun with it. All my activities in EVE are for fun. But… probably ganking is almost (wardecing too?) the only PVP activity which allows you to fund further PVP. And thats a problem CCP should (but will never) adress. What about those poor Lowsec pirates who have to do moon mining to fund their piracy? Imagine having to mine to have fun. They should be having fun to have more extra fun with another activity! Or imagine the poor nullsec “PVPers” having to kill rats in belts during the week… to join some F1 fleet during the weekend… and some times they dont even find a target!. Thats not a game I would like to play. But I also understand miners… when I salvage the miners wreck in order to follow CCPs anti-griefing protocols… I want to do it in perfect safety and relax. I hope CCP introduces some kind of anti-angry-miners bubble when using my t2s salvaging drones! ---
**Author:** ![Chupi\_fantastika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chupi_fantastika/32/453335_2.png) [@Chupi\_fantastika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chupi_fantastika)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/319 "2022-11-24T11:41:31Z")
Its rhetoric… I know exactly why gankers gank an orca or a day 1 venture, just like I know why players make PK in low level respawn areas in other MMO. Its interesting because after the kill they run into the help channels for paste the killmail. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/320 "2022-11-24T13:28:54Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > I want to do it in perfect safety and relax. You’re what’s wrong with this game. Too lazy to work for anything and you actually enjoy grieving people. I hope you find a better way…without docking or tethering 🤣… * * * > [@Chupi\_fantastika](#): > > Its interesting because after the kill they run into the help channels for paste the killmail. They love to pat each other on the back. Clearly anti-social behavior. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/321 "2022-11-24T13:33:36Z")
You must gank for profit But theres no profit in ganking Ergo… ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/322 "2022-11-24T13:35:14Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > This is PvP game Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting. * * * > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > you’re now a morally bad ~~player~~ griefer Now you’re getting it! * * * > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I just griefed this guy, for NO PROFIT. At least you’re admitting it. GG. * * * > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But theres no profit in ganking Tell Jason that. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/323 "2022-11-24T14:47:15Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting. Did I mention ganking in the post you are (partially) quoting? Of course ganking isn’t PvP - Player versus Player. Ganking is GvP - Griefer versus Player. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/324 "2022-11-24T15:25:12Z")
> [@Chupi\_fantastika](#): > > they run into the help channels for paste the killmail Don’t they have alliance chat? > [@x123xxx](#): > > Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting Nobody turns down a free meal. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/326 "2022-11-24T19:23:36Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > They love to pat each other on the back. Clearly anti-social behavior. Oh. And what qualifies you to make this medical diagnosis again? Just curious 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > You’re what’s wrong with this game. Too lazy to work for anything and you actually enjoy grieving people. I hope you find a better way…without docking or tethering 🤣… Cept it isn’t griefing. He’s literally playing the game 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting. It is. All PvP is real PvP. Sorry it makes you cry bruv. > [@x123xxx](#): > > At least you’re admitting it. GG. Yennoe she’s being sarcastic right? Right? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/327 "2022-11-25T04:26:32Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oh. And what qualifies you to make this medical diagnosis again? > > Just curious 😃 I know there is at least one here who can do that. / > [@x123xxx](#): > > Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting. New Capsuleers should be required be the seaL and the hunter at the same time as it would be for the greater good of all future Capsuleers. (in reference to that, "_By law, you have to keep clubbing the seal in the forehead until you know for sure that it’s dead"_) _You can call ganking pvp as you need to keep shooting until the capsuleer’s ship explodes._ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/328 "2022-11-25T04:41:54Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Calling ganking PvP is like calling clubbing baby seals hunting. i think a noob that is not ganked may fell excluded and have self esteem problems in the future ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/329 "2022-11-25T04:47:57Z")
Why does @x123xxx assume that Clubbing a New Capsuleer is the same as Ganking a Seal? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/330 "2022-11-25T05:10:36Z")
99% they aren’t even a new capsuleer 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/331 "2022-11-25T05:19:55Z")
If this is the case then ganking is only griefing 1% of all ganking related pvp in New Eden Highsec. / To try and back this info up, I looked at my first pod loss and where it was. Started 21th May Podded 23rd May in GM-50Y 39 jumps from the first starting system to hunt Angel Cartel NPC’s ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/332 "2022-11-25T17:57:35Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > s the same as Ganking You know you took that out of context. Read the whole post. There was something about hunting… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396/333 "2022-11-25T18:53:50Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > You know you took that out of context. Read the whole post. There was something about hunting… Oh so you are all for the ecosystem of New Eden then? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/still-griefing-new-players/383396.md?page=17)