# Stop the idiotic lowsec instalocking camps **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 25, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469 "2018-12-25T21:23:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/145 "2018-12-28T13:50:18Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > There’s no point in PVP either. Except for “muh stats”. So one thing that one player obsesses over is something other players don’t give two craps about. See how that works? You’ve completely missed the point of what I’m saying. This has ■■■■ all to do with whos gameplay is more valuable. Or what’s the point in the game. Shoving pve into a pvp mechanic is not what people want. At least when you risk more in pve you get paid more. This however is entirely restrictive. No risk/reward factor. An prohibitive mechanic where no one wanted or asked for it. I don’t know how to spell it any more clearly to you. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Now shall I complain about some PVP I would be told “well, you agree to it by undocking! Hurf blurf! HTFU!” You’re playing a pvp game based on risk/reward you dullard! The entire basis of the game is pvp. The underlying design of the game is that with increased rewards comes increased exposure to pvp. Why are you playing eve if that’s not what you are seeking? The answer is because that IS what you’ve come for. That’s why your here. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Ok then. You agree to NPCs attacking you when you undock. It’s content! Eve is a niche game. Why don’t you apply your skills and pick yourself up by the bootstraps. Kids today, all they do is complain… No ■■■■ sherlock. Doesn’t make it good gameplay. Considering how much your whining about ganking, even though that takes hours of players time to conduct. You might just drown in your own tears if gankers could respawn in their ships for free, didn’t get concorded and didn’t need to sleep. You probably wouldn’t still be here. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Furoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/furoth/32/300078_2.png) [@Furoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Furoth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/146 "2018-12-28T16:55:39Z")
So NPC navies are attacking enemies of the state and people are crying about it because “We shouldn’t be forced to PVE”? Jump over 2 threads and I read “We shouldn’t be forced to PVP”. I thought CCP was messing up on mechanics. I was wrong. Merry Xmas CCP. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/147 "2018-12-28T16:57:44Z")
Too funny look at all these victimized care bears. They don’t have game skills to protect themselves and so when a design comes out that PvPers think is dumb they all chime in with their pathetic revenge posts. “Ha Ha you killed me but NPC might kill you, I GOT REVENGE” Don’t you bears realize how weak and pathetic you sound? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/148 "2018-12-28T17:20:09Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > We’re dealing with people who cut their teeth in the TEARS alliance. Haha, we’re still getting TEARS tears after all these years. Suddenly Ninjas - the gift that keeps on giving. Cry moar noob. Show us on the model Raven where the bad ninja salvagers touched you…back in 2008. This takes me back. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/149 "2018-12-28T17:23:38Z")
Truth be spoken, I saw more griefer,PvP tears in forums recently than anyone else ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/150 "2018-12-28T17:33:44Z")
Whatever, this Herzog guy is a veritable fountain of salty, salty tears. His butt was clearly hurt in a deep and lasting way that has left him a bitter, spiteful shell of a man, motivated only by greed and a desire to lash out impotently at the ones who hurt him - who apparently were ninja salvagers, many many years ago. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/151 "2018-12-28T17:35:21Z")
> [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](#): > > Whatever, this Herzog guy is a veritable fountain of salty, salty tears. His butt was clearly hurt in a deep and lasting way that has left him a bitter, Well I won’t disagree on you on that ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/152 "2018-12-28T18:09:11Z")
Pfff idc I’ve just started welping in null instead of low. I don’t ever want to have to think about jumping and dying to NPCs lol. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/153 "2018-12-28T19:36:57Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > hoving pve into a pvp mechanic is not what people want. You don’t see yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/154 "2018-12-28T19:38:52Z")
You picked up that quote from a post where I detail how everything is tears you people and claim it’s tears. No wonder you lose in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/155 "2018-12-28T19:45:36Z")
That’s where you are wrong, kiddo. There is no convo existing of me having anything to do with salvagers. I used to do real ninja salvaging back in the day where I would scan out mission runners and actually go in unseen and steal everything like the Grinch. You see you people self-aggrandized so much in C&P I learned how to avoid them. I but did manage to find a friend in Herr Wilkus, probably one of the best gankers in the game who had his “Tornado Trifecta” ganked nerfed in 1 week because it was so effective. He is the reason why you cannot warp when Concord is getting on your case. With friends like that, I learned everything I needed to know. But in your usual manner of claiming everything is tears, please go on. 2 + 2 continues to be equal to 4 no matter what you say. And I’m the one who did the homework and never had a reason to cry. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/156 "2018-12-28T20:44:59Z")
Tears. Tears everywhere! A special event, like a NPC gate camp that is tied to the lore, is perfectly fine and consistent with the living universe that is New Eden. Most people want the game to be more life-like and unpredicible, and there seems to be a sense that CCP should run more events and give life to the NPCs ,not less. That said, I get that it may not be the best gameplay out there for those looking to do their predictable farming or perhaps their purposeless random PvP, but a non-moving, likely temporary gate camp hardly seems game-breaking to me. Just HTFU and adapt to this most minor change to the landscape of New Eden. Personally, I think less predictable NPCs are overall good for the game. As long as CCP keeps things fresh by moving them around and changing their behaviour, CCP should be encourage to experiment to shake up the snow globe. Everything doesn’t have to be farmable nor is it bad that NPCs are doing new and different things. ---
**Author:** ![Khan\_Wrenth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khan_wrenth/32/14130_2.png) [@Khan\_Wrenth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khan_Wrenth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/157 "2018-12-28T20:48:09Z")
That’s a sensible and healthy attitude to have. I fear it will fall upon deaf ears. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/158 "2018-12-28T20:49:09Z")
Show me where people asked for this. Or better yet, show me where the content from these npcs is. What’s their purpose? It looks like they just prevent players from interacting with eachother… It speaks volumes when the only people i see happy about it: 1- don’t play in low. 2- think it’s an answer to botting. 3- are only enjoying it to spite low sec players Good job 👍 Edit- @Black_Pedro torpedoed the second half of my post. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aetrid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aetrid/32/77858_2.png) [@Aetrid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aetrid)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/159 "2018-12-29T00:40:06Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Show me where people asked for this well…:psyccp: …so…yeah… ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/160 "2018-12-29T02:01:35Z")
I don’t think our debate is being watched for who the winner is as if it was going to change anything. We’re both on this ride. ---
**Author:** ![Alderson\_Point](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alderson_point/32/171891_2.png) [@Alderson\_Point](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alderson_Point)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/161 "2018-12-29T09:54:03Z")
I hate to break the bad news to you, but you don’t get to decide what EVE is. Surprising, I know, but there are OTHER players, who don’t play the way you Do, and I am pretty certain that when CCP designed the game and the sandbox design, they didn’t decide that “This is a pvp game, and people who don’t like that, well frack them they are playing wrong”. You have said your statement, so many times until you probably believe it. But you are still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/162 "2018-12-29T10:39:08Z")
You are wrong… If something is not wanted…get rif of it…that would be a reasonable conclusion…but not with CCP… CCP only listens to the big corps that elect themselves into csm…THIS is what they define as “players voice” and csm(aka big corps that have no interest to change the game from the status of 2003 to a better,more modern game) will NEVER even think about giving other playstyles even the dirt under the fingernails… Would be inconviniend… ---
**Author:** ![Sicamrah\_Jasmone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sicamrah_jasmone/32/113534_2.png) [@Sicamrah\_Jasmone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sicamrah_Jasmone)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/163 "2018-12-29T10:53:59Z")
[https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/150161](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/150161) Read this post, you pirates and even your pirate god james whatever asked for the navy to not be useless, heck the current implementation is de facto COPIED out of this thread. Though i imagine that when james wanted the navy to start shooting miners he didn’t quite mean shooting gankers instead. Well done ccp. ---
**Author:** ![Sicamrah\_Jasmone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sicamrah_jasmone/32/113534_2.png) [@Sicamrah\_Jasmone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sicamrah_Jasmone)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/164 "2018-12-29T11:01:10Z")
@Aetrid they asked for it in 2012 mate, sorry i know its inconvenient to have someone as worshipped as James 315 asking for more forced PVE but hey you got what you asked for right ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469.md?page=9)