# Stop the idiotic lowsec instalocking camps **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 25, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469 "2018-12-25T21:23:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Kalpel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalpel/32/186678_2.png) [@Kalpel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalpel)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/165 "2018-12-29T11:07:26Z")
❤ That killboard is glorious sight! ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/166 "2018-12-29T11:15:15Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > If something is not wanted…get rif of it…that would be a reasonable conclusion…but not with CCP… There is a problem with that POV. What you want, others might not. Likewise what they want (PVP in hi sec), you don’t. Can’t please everyone any of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/167 "2018-12-29T11:19:29Z")
7B Marshall lost to a NPC gank also. CCP made it so nobody is safe if not in titan with doomsday. Well, maybe also in cloaking ship, that can warp cloaked. And a very fast aligning frigate maybe. Did not checked that. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/168 "2018-12-29T12:49:01Z")
> [@Alderson\_Point](#): > > hate to break the bad news to you, but you don’t get to decide what EVE is. I didn’t. It’s right there in the eve faq if you read it. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/169 "2018-12-29T13:44:19Z")
Shouldn’t faction NPCs have faction tags at least? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/170 "2018-12-29T13:46:37Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The difference here is that fw pilots are trying to engage eachother in pvp. The whole reason fw exists is to enable pvp. You sure about that? How many of FW members are actually for pvp? Is it more than 10% of all population? I don’t think FW is any different from Exploration or 0.0-sec. Something like 5-10% of players go there to have pvp and others to farm some ISK/LP/whatever. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/171 "2018-12-29T14:30:35Z")
Fantastic! How did you manage to remember and find this thread after 6 years??? 😯 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/172 "2018-12-29T14:38:37Z")
Yes i’m sure FW was designed for PvP gameplay. > It was first introduced in the [Empyrean Age expansion](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Expansion#Empyrean_Age) (2008) to offer players a stepping-stone into PvP (player-vs-player) gameplay. What bots do with it, or even the greater population does with it, isn’t really important. FW has an unambiguous function. If its failing at that function, then maybe people should ask for a re-think (which they are constantly, if they haven’t left fw altogether). Or if it’s function has changed, let people know that it has and watch that go down like a lead balloon. But even beyond all that, PvE should lead to content someway somehow right? But as far as i’ve seen, these are getting in the way of content rather than enabling it. Like a UI that is getting in the way of the player. I haven’t seen anyone talking about how it adds depth to their game, just butthurt bears sticking it to low sec players. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/173 "2018-12-29T16:06:37Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Can’t please everyone any of the time. Than pleasing pve with the coming changes cannot be against your will…pvp is now spoiled since 2003…radical concept in your eyes i know… ---
**Author:** ![Alderson\_Point](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alderson_point/32/171891_2.png) [@Alderson\_Point](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alderson_Point)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/174 "2018-12-29T16:54:56Z")
Depends how you read it I imagine, but that aside, It certainly doesn’t say it is an exclusively PVP game. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/175 "2018-12-29T16:59:44Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > griefer,PvP Because PvP is griefing, why are you even playing this game? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/176 "2018-12-29T17:17:18Z")
Back tracking and changing goal posts. > The essential core concept of eve online is fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment. Section 7 > **[New Pilot FAQ available | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/eve-online-new-pilot-faq-available)** > > To give an easy but comprehensive overview of EVE Online - especially for new players - a new guide is available! Read all about EVE Online in this high level overview and discover the exciting possibilities which are available as you proceed with... ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/177 "2018-12-29T17:39:14Z")
Indeed. To clarify further this is taken from the above. > Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you enter New Eden **you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept.** In the asteroid field you’re competing with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to defend against ore thieves. On the market you battle for control of the economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products versus other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may fight for glory, for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. TL;DR PvE is PvP ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/178 "2018-12-29T18:53:31Z")
Quoting a five year old post to back up the current fantasy that things are still the same under new owners? Like I said before. If you have deluded yourself into believing the opposite of what the evidence is showing, I feel sorry for you. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/179 "2018-12-29T18:57:19Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Quoting a five year old post to back up the current fantasy that things are still the same under new owners? Claiming things are different even though no one has said so. Not even the new owners. (infact the new owners said it was business as usual for eve). I’m going of the latest information. What are you going by? Prayer? It wouldn’t take much for ccp to update the info. So why haven’t they? Which one of us is deluded? ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/180 "2018-12-29T19:42:17Z")
the npc shouldn’t be catching sub-2 second warping frigs and even shuttles … ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/181 "2018-12-29T19:58:48Z")
Just went through a LS Incursion area last night and found a mess of wrecks at the gate leading back to HS including a Stiletto and at least 3 shuttles, all victims of the NPCs. Thank you cov op cloak and my Stratios! ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/182 "2018-12-30T00:28:36Z")
Because I want . Done ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/183 "2018-12-30T06:43:15Z")
Damn. Good find. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469/184 "2018-12-30T06:49:11Z")
Ever been instalokied? I have. if players can do it, so should faction navies. What are are asking for is lame content. Are we not tired of lame content? Or is good content only what you say it is? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-the-idiotic-lowsec-instalocking-camps/129469.md?page=10)