# Stop thinking of ISK as an end and you will start enjoying this game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 23, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074 "2017-12-23T17:11:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stop\_ISK\_Madness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stop_isk_madness/32/11436_2.png) [@Stop\_ISK\_Madness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stop_ISK_Madness)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/1 "2017-12-23T17:11:24Z")
Hey there, for 4 years Ive been obsessed with ISK maximization/optimization, and you know what, I felt so poor. Ironic huh? I acquired more billions that I would ever need. now for the last couple of months I tried a new approach. I would just have fun doing whichever I wanted to do. Even I started manufacturing my own ships, just for teh lulz, even when I know getting them on the market is quicker and less expensive (morons selling under manufacturing costs always kept me ahead of manufacturing). But who cares? I am manufacturing my ships and enjoying the process. Same goes for everything else. As a former ISK-optimizer I was an extreme carebear, a highsec dweller, never undocking when wardecced, etc. NO MORE! I enjoy traveling trhough lowsec, sometimes just exploring the galaxy for fun. And teh thrill when theres a gate camp and you manage to escape. Yay! Sooner or later you get exploded, but who cares? You have lots of billions. Some killboards will tell the world you failed. Well who cares actually? TLDR: stop thinking of ISK. Money is important in real life, not in a videogame. This is not a second job. Start enjoying EVE Online!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/2 "2017-12-23T17:12:27Z")
I support this product or service. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/3 "2017-12-23T17:20:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I support this product or service. As do I. Mr Epeen šŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![Aelavaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aelavaine/32/373863_2.png) [@Aelavaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aelavaine)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/4 "2017-12-23T18:29:51Z")
I didnā€™t need 4 years to come to that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Tamazaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tamazaki/32/37007_2.png) [@Tamazaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tamazaki)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/5 "2017-12-23T20:30:42Z")
> [@Stop\_ISK\_Madness](#): > > Sooner or later you get exploded, but who cares? You have lots of billions. I donā€™t actually. Feel free to send me 90% of your billions. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/6 "2017-12-23T20:51:28Z")
> [@Stop\_ISK\_Madness](#): > > You have lots of billions. \*trillions Thank you very much. And yes, I totally support this. ISK is meaningless beyond having enough to replace ships on a comfortable basis. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/7 "2017-12-23T21:20:26Z")
Endorsed ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/8 "2017-12-24T09:01:47Z")
Youā€™ll get it in 4 or 5 more years time that isk is indeed meaningful ---
**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/9 "2017-12-24T11:04:06Z")
The OP won EVE! ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/10 "2017-12-26T17:39:59Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > ISK is meaningless beyond having enough to replace ships on a comfortable basis. Which means ISK is meaningful if you donā€™t have enough to support your habits. @OP: I guess that means: finally welcome to EVE šŸ™‚ Good call. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/11 "2017-12-26T19:19:12Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Which means ISK is meaningful if you donā€™t have enough to support your habits. #nopoors ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/12 "2017-12-26T19:25:31Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > #nopoors Yeah, itā€™s still a somewhat funny meme šŸ˜ƒ The thing is, OP is of course right about the having fun part. Usually when discussed, it will go like this: 1. Decently Rich Player A: Just go out and have fun 2. Poor guy B: I would, but I have no ISK 3. A: You donā€™t need to have so much, just take a Rifter 4. B: I do, but I get blopped by Nyx 5. Troll C: Get gud 6. Player D: join Horde 7. A again: #nopoors then ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/13 "2017-12-26T19:32:40Z")
šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/14 "2017-12-26T20:07:42Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > 1. Decently Rich Player A: Just go out and have fun > 2. Poor guy B: I would, but I have no ISK > 3. A: You donā€™t need to have so much, just take a Rifter > 4. B: I do, but I get blopped by Nyx > 5. Troll C: Get gud > 6. Player D: join Horde > 7. A again: #nopoors then And, for the sake of historical accuracy 1. B: How do i become #nopoor? 2. D: Buy low, sell high, go ratting, hauling, etc. (opportunity to side-track to ganking,botting,grrgoons etc.) 3. C: 9.1B Contract WTS 4. A: do activity X, Y or Z 5. B: but it is so boringā€¦ 6. A: exactly, so just go out there and have funā€¦ And the cycle starts again. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/15 "2017-12-26T20:16:04Z")
I would have given the advice of corp theft or scamming. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/16 "2017-12-26T20:18:29Z")
Being space poor is a choice, there are many ways to earn isk, to save isk and cut corners , the problem is that most want to jump into a fancy ship and just boom boom, me love you long time. So find something that will earn you some income, at the start ccp has made it super easy to make isk, distribution, by running these you earn, every station you deliver to more agents for distribution, after a while at lvl 4 distribution missions pay well for a few jumps, better then most courier contracts without the hassle of scams. Mining missions, anoms, etc, etc, all while skilling towards your preferred play. But if nothing suits you just like in real life you must pay to boom boom. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/17 "2017-12-26T20:24:11Z")
You can put a lot of things in place of ā€œiskā€ in the thread title. ā€œkillboard statsā€ is another popular argument. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/18 "2017-12-26T20:46:58Z")
Yup, some farm likes, some farm for killboard points, etc, to me both examples are like street credit, canā€™t buy anything with it but it makes the epeen feel ribbed, for that pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/19 "2017-12-26T20:51:56Z")
> [@Piugattuk](#): > > Being space poor is a choice, there are many ways to earn isk, to save isk and cut corners , the problem is that most want to jump into a fancy ship and just boom boom, me love you long time. Instant gratification is greeting. I genuinely wonder what will become of all those dummies that want everything and they want it _now_. That mindset is ruining more and more of society. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074/20 "2017-12-26T21:05:11Z")
amazon dot com: working hard to supply your every need. Refrigerators that order delivery of low-stock items, where if you ran out of said item, you might delay a purchase or discover something new, next time you went out into the world. Bringing it back to EVE, I know a number of players who would happily subscribe to an in-game service that would maintain stocks of consumables for them. Especially if such service would automatically add ammo and boosters back to every ship they fly, when they dock up after a battle. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stop-thinking-of-isk-as-an-end-and-you-will-start-enjoying-this-game/47074.md?page=2)