# Streamer stops due to grief **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 30, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366 "2022-08-30T23:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/188 "2022-08-31T10:12:40Z")
Well in most interactions I’ve read, it’s the people who get ganked who get abusive and verbally harass the player who killed them. Completely forgetting the fact they are playing a non-consentual PVP game, and that they just lost a PvP encounter. So if we go by those rules, a lot of the ganker victims should be clearly banned from the game … If that is what you are saying, I agree, we should ban all of them on those grounds alone. As far as I know the RavenX1 guy still plays … ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/189 "2022-08-31T10:14:08Z")
Either way its the anti-social behavior that is not acceptable — this has nothing to do with ganking as it clearly states at the top of the thread anyone who wants to be toxic or harass others should have their toys taken away like children \*Please don’t use other peoples names especially if they are not here to speak for themselves lets keep it clean ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/190 "2022-08-31T10:16:14Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Moving the goal posts? did you even read the thread Uh huh. And the fact you didn’t respond to any of my points means you already given up and know you’re wrong 😃 > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Its not not unique to ‘celebrities’ anyone can be ‘burned’ in EvE or it can bleed through to real life — when it happens to large streamers that does tend to microphone the issue If a vidya game affects you that much, stop playing and get some life help LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gix can be safely ignored. He hangs on Aikos every word so regardless of reality he’ll just jump into any thread to nod along with Aiko and harass anyone who disagree with them. ROFL, still waiting on your respond in the other thread mate 😃 Aiko and I have disagreed before. But on this topic, no way LOL. If you stream, you take the risk LOL. Can’t evade that truth. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > If people are targeting him that literally is an issue & is not ok even via game > its just not acceptable behavior in a society & should be changed if CCP like it or not > > Anyone doing these types of acts should be banned ruthlessly Nope. They aren’t breaking the ToS LOL. And he himself put the target on his back. Honestly cry moar bro. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, it’s a video game, nobody should expect to be harassed and abused. Not everyone is a sociopath. Its literally an open world PvP game. And they aren’t breaking any rules LOL. If the guy can’t stop a mach, well he has issues. If you want to not interact with others, play Stardew LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Go ahead and try to market that pitch. “Don’t play EVE if you are prone to mental health issues because people will deliberately try to push you over the edge as part of the game”. Seriously guy, if this is your attitude about a video game you need to seek immediate help before you start decapitating cats. How is it our fault if they have issues and choose to play a game such as this? They could just play Stardew and grow tomatoes and stuff. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The ultimate goal of any game is entertainment, win or lose, people should be entertained. If your gameplay involves deliberately trying to deprive others of entertainment then you’re the problem. It’s basic sportsmanship, no? And this is an open world PvP MMO 😃 We are the entertainment. All of us are content. I’ve been using you for content for quite a while now 😃 > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Though as I have already stated this may not be enough as people seem to be falling through the cracks You realize I can bump you silently all day in space and it’s not against the rules right? Please learn to read and EVE kthx. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Either way its the anti-social behavior that is not acceptable — this has nothing to do with ganking as it clearly states at the top of the thread > > anyone who wants to be toxic or harass others should have their toys taken away like children And there are in game ways to stop this behavior. He easily could have done it if he wanted to. He didn’t, cried and picked up his toys and went home. And he has the freedom to do that LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/191 "2022-08-31T10:17:28Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Nope. They aren’t breaking the ToS LOL. And he himself put the target on his back. > > Honestly cry moar bro. Targeted harassment is against the rules [https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/real-life-harassment-threats-policy-en/](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/real-life-harassment-threats-policy-en/) I didn’t reply to your point because this isn’t about ganking it is about harassment & threats your opinions are just like anyone elses here including my own ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/192 "2022-08-31T10:22:00Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > I didn’t reply to your point because this isn’t about ganking it is about harassment & threats I didn’t once mentioning ganking my guy. Bro did you even read the link you posted? ## **Harassment:** Harassment has no place in our community and is not tolerated. CCP works closely with the EVE Community and various third parties to ensure an appropriate approach to these cases. The types of behaviour that we consider to be harassment include but are not limited to: - Verbal abuse - Abusive messaging - Real world stalking - Online stalking - Social Media stalking - Encouraging or enabling self-harm - Doxing - Racism - Sexism - Hate speech None of that is bumping. Now I know the feeble card you got is that he’s be stalked. But that isn’t the kind of “stalking” they are referring to. Also he put himself on stream and made himself a target. Without it, odds are low they’d ever find him. So again, you can find a streamer, bump him silently for hours and you are golden per CCP’s own rules. Sorry bro. Cry moar. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/193 "2022-08-31T10:22:34Z")
Not talking about bumping or ganking I feel like we are going in circles now right? more\* ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/194 "2022-08-31T10:24:41Z")
Dude. He was being bumped LOL. And if he can’t handle some words in an MMO, then yes, he should just stream Stardew and marry fictional characters. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/195 "2022-08-31T10:25:49Z")
Not talking about bumping or ganking I feel like we are just going in circles ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/196 "2022-08-31T10:27:55Z")
> [@Optimus\_Maximus](#): > > Well in most interactions I’ve read, it’s the people who get ganked who get abusive and verbally harass the player who killed them. It’s not just gankees. Anyone that loses their ship while engaging in PVE can explode on you. I got called all manner of things in Russian by a guy who was running Guristas missions in Venal with his little Astero. Never mind that if he’d been paying attention to D-scan I’d probably have never found him. Never mind that his align time is significantly less than my lock time. I pvp’d him ‘without his consent’ and he was very unhappy about that and keen I know what he thought of my mother too! ---
**Author:** ![Cergorach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cergorach/32/410391_2.png) [@Cergorach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cergorach)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/197 "2022-08-31T10:28:25Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > The part about risk yes that is what draws people to EvE the part about harassment — well games can & do evolve this may be one of those things where the toxic game of today should be left in the past Yes, games evolve and die on a regular basis. But just as often they die because developers changed the game in fundamental ways. I think the openness and choice of action is fundamental to EVE. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > If people are targeting him that literally is an issue & is not ok even via game > its just not acceptable behavior in a society & should be changed if CCP like it or not Let me give some context, yesterdays stream was titled: " What Does it Take To Mine 1 Billion isk in hi-sec" It is a Hulk mining fleet in highsec, when HateLesS started on his mining adventures he STRONGLY warned against that himself. You can expect that kind of behavior even when you’re not streaming! I like that you can, if you want literally drive a competitor out of business by attacking his infrastructure, in this case his mining/grinding ships. I don’t do that, but I like the option to be there. That means if that someone does that to someone else you have the opportunity to fight back. I like that possibility. I like the opportunity that if a ganker ganks me once, I can hunt him and kill him a 1000 times (did I mention I suck at pvp, so that probably won’t happen). 😉 Other streamers have similar issues and they have their own methods to deal with that… ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/198 "2022-08-31T10:29:19Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > he should just stream Stardew Nothing wrong with Stardew, the music alone tugs on the nostalgic strings for people that grew up with classics like Secret of Mana. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/199 "2022-08-31T10:29:44Z")
Yeah though this is a far more widespread issue than just one streamer right the reason its a topic today is because that is a much bigger loudspeaker to a larger issue ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/200 "2022-08-31T10:30:34Z")
> [@Oleg\_K77](#): > > EVE is, probably, the only game in which greefing and harassment is considered as a feature by devs. Or EvE is perhaps one of the few games that is levelheaded about what _really_ constitutes griefing and harassment, and does not give in to calls to change the game in ways to make it completely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/201 "2022-08-31T10:31:18Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Not talking about bumping or ganking I feel like we are just going in circles Nope. You’re avoiding the point because it negates your entire argument, which you know it does LOL. > [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > Nothing wrong with Stardew, the music alone tugs on the nostalgic strings for people that grew up with classics like Secret of Mana. Oh I know. I own Stardew 😃 And Secret of Mana LOL. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Yeah though this is a far more widespread issue than just one streamer right > the reason its a topic today is because that is a much bigger loudspeaker to a larger issue Except it isn’t really. This is a stealth nerf thread as they all are LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/202 "2022-08-31T10:31:46Z")
I think a large amount of society would find that logic flawed & twisted for many reasons No one is saying banning people making threats will make gameplay irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/203 "2022-08-31T10:32:38Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The last person I reported for a death threat was possibly banned on a throwaway alt, but then they came back on a new character and threatened to kill me for reporting them. So reporting them accomplished nothing, and simply made the situation worse. thats not an issue to you? ---- it negates my argument right? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/204 "2022-08-31T10:34:18Z")
If we could trust people to act like grown ups in the first place none of this would be necessary ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/205 "2022-08-31T10:34:40Z")
This is why we cannot have nice things Ramona ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/206 "2022-08-31T10:35:23Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > thats not an issue to you? ---- it negates my argument right? And that is a result of people being salty and crying because they don’t understand the game they are playing. LOL buddy, you’re talking to a person whose given my support to Aiko thru times like that, even when most here on the forums were agreeing with her being SAed. However, the streamer and her are two different things. The common denominator tho? People don’t understand the game that EVE really is LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/207 "2022-08-31T10:36:01Z")
So is it an issue or not? are death threats ok or are they not? confused here [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366.md?page=11)