# Streamer stops due to grief **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 30, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366 "2022-08-30T23:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/409 "2022-08-31T17:15:10Z")
Yes I have posted that & would again as we are talking about harassment as well as toxicity again not hateless specific people in this very thread have been harassed & rather aggressively ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/410 "2022-08-31T17:16:45Z")
It is an example about his specific case what are you even talking about. Anyway where is the evidence? You can’t talk about a specific case… or even in general without providing one. ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Vexier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_vexier/32/352640_2.png) [@Adrian\_Vexier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Vexier)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/411 "2022-08-31T17:18:21Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > I also did not say he had received death threats I had said Aiko had received death threats @Hateless directly alluded to me threatening to kill him in this video, at 02:48: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/d/6/0d6fb58564c7bd31b76f45f7a386efa63c2c36c3.jpeg "Last Eve Related upload for the time being") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmvVTFIiGUo&t=168s) And he spefically mentions 7 emails. I am very curious to see what at least one of those 7 emails looks like. Let’s be clear now: this is a perfect opportunity to get me banned, forever, across all my accounts, without any possibility of getting them un-banned and bared from creating any accounts ever again. Why? This is a public EVE player and an EVE Streamer Parther. His face is visible and thus any threat would be credible. He mentions emails about killing him. That is the gravest of threats. It’s not a threat of beating him or punishing him or just hurting him. It’s about killing. And lastly: he mentions seven emails. That should prove my rezolve and should rule out a bout of anger. Done! If he can prove that I am guilty of that, than I would be easily banned forever from EVE, without any possibility of appeal. Now I gave him and everyone else the permission and even explicitly asked him to share the threatening emails. The ball is firmly in his court. Seven balls actually. I think one or two would be more than enough. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/412 "2022-08-31T17:18:58Z")
I know that I for one am a better human being because EVE has allowed me to explore (through expression) my darker tendencies that normally get repressed in the general population by societal and legal force. While it’s great that we have such a (fragile and artificially) safe society in the West, I wish we could afford more people the indulgence of learning just what monsters they’re harboring in their shadows. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/413 "2022-08-31T17:19:08Z")
Ganking, bumping, and stealing is well within EVE’s limits. Harassing and being toxic is another thing. **We have seen cases of GINUINE harassment**. This is clearly not it. Clearly Adrian was playing his game well within the bounds of RP. The Amico Mafia sees no harassment here. 400+ posts and counting over this my goodness. Funny and concerning at the same time. Happy for the transparency. Will Hateless also be transparent? People stole event loot from my PVE sites. I have stolen event loot from other’s PVE sites. Is this harassment? 😆 Clearly not. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/414 "2022-08-31T17:19:43Z")
Also by the way speaking of harassment and toxicity: > [@Podding in Jspace](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/podding-in-jspace/345104/39): > > Yup this. In my experience people who call others griefers and toxic usually are the ones who act toxic and more often than not start the behavior instead of reacting to such in that manner. A simple thing like showing up to an anomaly in hisec and starting to pew the rats while some random dude was there sooner can result in them calling you names and wishing you real life harm. Not that their words carry any weight just referencing as a showcase of character. So yeah internet space pixels a… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/415 "2022-08-31T17:21:52Z")
I was talking about me — I have not accused you of sending death threats Its a hectic situation for you both I personally don’t know enough which is why ive refused to comment on it specifically Quick question — Do you feel harassed by this situation or do you feel its turned toxic towards you at all? ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Vexier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_vexier/32/352640_2.png) [@Adrian\_Vexier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Vexier)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/416 "2022-08-31T17:25:46Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Do you feel harassed by this situation > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Do you feel harassed by this situation Haaa-ha-ha-hah! It would take a whole lot more than this to even begin to make me think about feeling harassed, boyo. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > do you feel its turned toxic towards you at all? It certainly did, not that I’m negatively impacted about it, though. As far as I’m concerned, keep it flowing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/417 "2022-08-31T17:29:12Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Do you feel harassed by this situation I feel harassed by the situation. I am trying to play a video game, a PvP video game in which PvP is explicitly allowed by design and intent. I feel harassed by crybaby whiny losers who endlessly complain about “griefers” and “emotional distress” in a video game. Yes, it is a GAME. Getting your spaceship blown up is intended gameplay. Stop whining about it. Stop ranting endlessly about the “griefers” who beat you in a video game. They won fair and square, and you are the only one to blame for your own incompetence. If EvE Online is upsetting you this much, the problem is not the so-called “griefers”. The problem is YOU. It’s time for you to find another game, and stop dragging this game down with your constant negativity and bittervet complaints. Toxicity is a problem, yes. However, whining is a form of toxicity. In every aspect of society, there are real issues of harassment - but false allegations and exaggerated narratives are a distraction which makes it difficult to address genuine issues. In my experience, the most toxic people in the game are Highsec miners like Hateless, because they are constantly either crying and pretending that someone is griefing them, or they are lashing out with anger, threats, and inappropriate language. They feel entitled to make maximum isk/hr, and they become abusive and throw temper tantrums if they can’t make as much isk as they want. This isn’t about Hateless getting griefed. This is about Hateless being greedy. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/418 "2022-08-31T17:29:35Z")
I would say in drama cases like this transparency is 100% critical. I am happy we have more details about this. I would love to hear Hateless’s thoughts. I know where I stand on this. > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Quick question — Do you feel harassed by this situation or do you feel its turned toxic towards you at all? I know it’s not directed towards me but public gankers know the weight they carry. It’s baggage that comes with the career. I have a pretty tough skin in this game. **I won’t quit in real life or in EVE. I want my goals to be accomplished and I will get them accomplished.** Don’t like the person? Block them. See a real case of harassment? Report them and block them. **Don’t let them live rent free in your head.** Don’t like them? have them killed. _(In EVE since people here don’t know what is RL and what is RP in EVE)_ I should really make a fourm post about a winning mentality in EVE and in Real Life. **People here sorely need to adopt a thick skin winning mentality.** ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/419 "2022-08-31T17:32:55Z")
> [@Adrian\_Vexier](#): > > It certainly did, not that I’m negatively impacted about it, though. As far as I’m concerned, keep it flowing. Well in that case cheers for making a statement here o7 ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/420 "2022-08-31T17:35:08Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I should really make a fourm post about a winning mentality in EVE and in Real Life. **People here sorely need to adopt a thick skin winning mentality.** we could certainly use more of those types of threads ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/421 "2022-08-31T17:41:26Z")
So let’s see. A streamer gets bumped and ragequits streaming. One of his fanbois comes to the forums in response and makes a thread about how we have to “end toxicity and griefing” because his favorite streamer quit. But OFC we’re supposed to believe that it’s not about their _favorite streamer babyraging_, or _ganking_, or _bumping_ - it’s about **real life death threats and “swatting” and suicide** yadda yadda bunch of other stuff that’s already against the rules and has nothing to do with their favorite streamer - as per the title and content of the OP - quitting, which has nothing to do with their post about their favorite streamer quitting. 😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaurl_kurvora/32/507459_2.png) [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaurl_Kurvora)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/422 "2022-08-31T17:42:55Z")
🙂 If thats your takeaway from this thats it both sides of this have admitted the situation is toxic & from our perspective it does suck for both of them Probably because other people get harassed as well & no they are not banned just ask Aiko ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Vexier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_vexier/32/352640_2.png) [@Adrian\_Vexier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Vexier)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/423 "2022-08-31T17:44:31Z")
It doesn’t suck for me. I’m just rowing my boat in my ever-growing river of LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/424 "2022-08-31T17:44:33Z")
> [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > 🙂 If thats your takeaway from this thats it Lmao @ “your factual account of what I’ve said is just, like, your opinion man” 🤡🤡 > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > the situation is toxic So? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/425 "2022-08-31T17:47:08Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > most toxic people in the game are Highsec miners like Hateless, because they are constantly either crying and pretending that someone is griefing them, And we have to address the fact that they have many Omega accounts, they have an army of alts, they definitely can fight off their adversaries and they choose not to. They are bad players in EVE and for sure they are bad players in other games too. When I see such big mining fleets I feel terrified and afraid, just imagining the consequences against my buy and sell orders… they are griefing me in the market and I will open a ticket when I see many alts mining together for harassment. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/426 "2022-08-31T17:48:29Z")
Imagine having more than 1-2 Omega’s in 2022. ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Vexier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_vexier/32/352640_2.png) [@Adrian\_Vexier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Vexier)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/427 "2022-08-31T17:49:45Z")
@Jaurl_Kurvora , what about > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > Obviously reports have been sent fyi it is not me being harassed and > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > We do know the player has not been banned & is still continuing to harass — when its on stream things tend to be pretty public and especially > [@Jaurl\_Kurvora](#): > > If people are targeting him that literally is an issue & is not ok even via game > its just not acceptable behavior in a society & should be changed if CCP like it or not > > Anyone doing these types of acts should be banned ruthlessly ? Who were you referring to? Who do you want to be “banned ruthlessly”? ---
**Author:** ![Adrian\_Vexier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adrian_vexier/32/352640_2.png) [@Adrian\_Vexier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adrian_Vexier)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366/428 "2022-08-31T17:51:44Z")
@Xuixien, I actually have 23 Omega accounts at the moment. 🥸 I know, I’m a geeky nerd. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/streamer-stops-due-to-grief/375366.md?page=22)