# Sudden lack of relic and data sites? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066 "2019-09-10T23:57:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Agamemnon\_Makanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agamemnon_makanen/32/159856_2.png) [@Agamemnon\_Makanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agamemnon_Makanen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/1 "2019-09-10T23:57:26Z")
I just spent several hours rapidly visiting about 40 systems, scanning down every cosmic signature and did not hit a single relic or data site. Has anyone else noticed this? Did something change with the update? I usually average 1 or 2 sites for every 5-10 systems. ---
**Author:** ![MadMuppet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madmuppet/32/161198_2.png) [@MadMuppet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MadMuppet)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/2 "2019-09-11T01:28:43Z")
Yeah, my friends and I have been teaching newbros ‘there is gold in them dar hills’ and they are making bank on cheap fits. ---
**Author:** ![Cicada\_Adacic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cicada_adacic/32/487434_2.png) [@Cicada\_Adacic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cicada_Adacic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/3 "2019-09-11T02:22:32Z")
Or \*sudden increase in Explorers? Hmmm ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Flinnley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_flinnley/32/375771_2.png) [@Sarah\_Flinnley](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Flinnley)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/4 "2019-09-11T02:25:41Z")
I have noticed the same decrease in sites, but I only just started playing again after a six month break. I’ve been averaging 20-30 systems and 2 relic sites for the past couple of nights. And I only ran into 1 other person with probes out during that time. I’m just chilling it up to bad luck at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Cicada\_Adacic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cicada_adacic/32/487434_2.png) [@Cicada\_Adacic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cicada_Adacic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/5 "2019-09-11T03:06:20Z")
“There are patterns because we try to find them. A desperate attempt at \*Order, because we can’t face the terror that it might all be Random, \*Chaotic” ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/6 "2019-09-11T07:44:38Z")
Read the patch notes - [they added triglavian exploration ships](https://preview.redd.it/8s0fco48nwl31.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5f879d639195282e2adbe3383c08a6088eb653bd) into low sec. They hack sites as NPC miners mine high sec belts. You must get quicker, then they are, or kill them. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/7 "2019-09-11T08:06:00Z")
More challenge for game play! ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/8 "2019-09-11T22:16:13Z")
![hide](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/93dea1aef2704b7cba678a391b1a25776e874bc2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/9 "2019-09-12T00:57:19Z")
a area is only allowed a certain number of sites aswell, i constantly run into people who “cherry pick” sites and leave which keeps the site from despawning and letting a new one spawn somewhere else ---
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/10 "2019-09-12T14:54:08Z")
Go to wormholes. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/11 "2019-09-12T16:18:47Z")
to find all the gas sites? ---
**Author:** ![Harabec\_Ojutai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harabec_ojutai/32/212638_2.png) [@Harabec\_Ojutai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harabec_Ojutai)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/12 "2019-09-12T17:05:24Z")
Where are you exploring? I’ve been in a few different null regions recently and haven’t noticed a significant change in site frequency. Regarding despawning sites, I try to do this if for some reason I’m in hi sec, or if I’m in low in a system with no other pilots, but I’m not taking the extra time in null. Sorry guys. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/13 "2019-09-12T18:22:23Z")
Can’t mine or rat in even relative safety anymore. Everyone is over-saturating the safer PVE content. Unintended consequences for incoherent, scattered development. Who knew?!?!?!?!??? Maybe not every player wants to pvp?? maybe?? yeah?? ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth\_Endashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenneth_endashi/32/256217_2.png) [@Kenneth\_Endashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenneth_Endashi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/14 "2019-09-12T21:24:02Z")
Then they should not play a game where PVP is in literally every facet of the game world ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sudden-lack-of-relic-and-data-sites/189066/16 "2019-12-12T20:23:24Z")
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