# Sugestion to CCP to increase New player Retention and OMEGA **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236 "2021-01-15T12:06:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/155 "2021-02-19T13:38:51Z")
i never made an alfa with loss skills im veteran… and i think you are too… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/156 "2021-02-19T13:38:54Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > it wasn’t because this idea doesnt cover for the pilots first 1 days or 5 days of game play What has that got to do with it? I didnt say that, you didnt say that until now. I dont understand this reply, sorry ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/157 "2021-02-19T13:40:07Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > i never made an alfa with loss skills im veteran… and i think Ok I think we have a language barrier here. Im saying that if I make a scanning alphas and then halfway through decide I need a salvage alpha or research alpha, its no big deal to retrain. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/158 "2021-02-19T13:41:00Z")
i actually did… and we have been there with another pilot who had been answering … yes because you havent read the prior messages ramona thats why… you picked on one sentence . which cause this situation… Im sory may be i should just pick up from top reference and quote the whole sentence properely not your fault ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/159 "2021-02-19T13:48:18Z")
Thread moved to a more appropriate location. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/160 "2021-02-18T18:31:54Z")
> [@Sugestion to CCP to increase New player Retention and OMEGA](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236): > > i have an idea… I think @CCP May find it interesting . New pilots are pretty unconscious about what to do in EVE Online… and it takes fair amount of time for them to explore the game and figure out what to do … Its an idea… heart Every pilot has yearly 1 chance free to Re-arrange their Attributes … Why don’t you give All Alfa pilots one time chance to RE distribute their alfa skill points until 5 mil skill point. if they go into Omega ? ( some didnt understand ALFA pilots means SKil… I think I have open this post to the wrong place maybe. So I do link here. I would like to hear the opinions of new pilots and Alpha player’s inputs. As well as vets… I’m expecting them to challenge the idea see-through to make it better in nuances… so far a couple of people challenge the idea but was the only reason was they haven’t understood the concept right then when they understood how it works they stand down. ---
**Author:** ![Luwc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luwc/32/281730_2.png) [@Luwc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luwc)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/161 "2021-02-18T19:01:36Z")
No. Remove Alpha and Skill Injectors. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/162 "2021-02-18T19:14:46Z")
wish that could be possible but they will NOT … -Damage is done now see what we can salvage …And please use post for comments about the OP… i need some feedback ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/163 "2021-02-18T23:21:43Z")
I need some people to challenge the idea and rationalise … NO Trolling please . I need to see if there is any hole im missing that i need to considerate . Please help for building up the idea. Or proof its bad more than its good ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/164 "2021-02-19T02:55:14Z")
You aren’t a new player asking for help, so no, this is not the right forum section. If you think your other thread is in the wrong place, edit the OP in that thread to update the category (if it is a proposed change, that would go in Player Features & Ideas). Please don’t cross-post to other forum sections. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/165 "2021-02-19T06:34:19Z")
Its very difficult to reach out new players that i dont know and hear their opinions. One way… actually i have already lot of feedback from many new pilots i had talk and they really love the idea and saw the oportunity for both ccp and for them… but not enough large group And i would like to hear their opninions… i guess this is actually right place… so far… only people i heard very crubstomping veterans who try to teat apart without even understanding… and wit quite out of subject comments and no reasoned poundering ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/166 "2021-02-19T13:07:11Z")
CCP already gives us a way to redistribute skills - with a penalty - using extractors and injectors. The skills available to Alpha accounts tend to be basic, core skills that everyone will eventually need. They’re also giving Alpha accounts close to 100K skillpoints a month through login rewards and skilling spree plus additional SP handouts through seasonal events. It’s relatively easy for an Alpha playing the game casually to earn enough ISK to buy 1 or 2 Alpha injectors a week. In my own situation, I have extracted skillpoints I was sure I’d never need again only to retrain them a year or so later after CCP changed something! There are lots of areas where I would like to see CCP invest development effort but giving people the ability to reallocate skillpoints - beyond the mechanics already available - isn’t one of them! ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Fractal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_fractal/32/260812_2.png) [@ISD\_Fractal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Fractal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/167 "2021-02-19T13:49:12Z")
Merged posts from a duplicate thread. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/168 "2021-02-19T13:50:40Z")
Wow that was a great help thank you so much \o/ ♥ ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/169 "2021-02-19T13:53:27Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > CCP already gives us a way to redistribute skills - with a penalty - using extractors and injectors. No CCP doesn’t give alfa pilots right or chance under 5 mil skill point to redistribute their skill points. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/170 "2021-02-19T14:44:59Z")
How does this profit ccp? Alphas are not spending money. It’s easier to just trash an alpha and create a new one. EVE is all about choices. Alphas don’t need coddling because it’s not just new players creating alphas. Vets are making them too. So what’s to stop vets from abusing something that you want 3 day old players to do? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/171 "2021-02-19T15:28:12Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > No CCP doesn’t give alfa pilots right or chance under 5 mil skill point to redistribute their skill points. And neither does your suggestion, as the player needs to become Omega as a requirement for your SP redistribution. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/172 "2021-02-19T15:30:02Z")
This feature is not for couple of days old players focused or not even first weeks… I think i will going to captalise this sentence and add to top post visible way because i have already explain it couple fo times to several people up threat with reasonings This idea incentivise the New players in their first accounts to go Omega even a one time to refocuse their skills when they really figure out what they would like to do in first 3-4 months of game play … and instead of roll all everything back and spam more alfa accounts… they can pay for omega once with card and get one time chance for only alfa limited skills reshape …Veterans already knows fine how to optimise their toons… and even if they benefot from this option for their alfa characters… there is no harm on that so far… instead of spam one more free character and train for 5 months… ( CCP wont earn anything ) they will pay one moth omega and be able to reshape it asap … ( vet gets what he wants CCP gets MONEY ) doesnt harm to game play this one also helps more instant gratification-oriented pilots have more time and chance to hold onto the game … ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/173 "2021-02-19T15:31:35Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > And neither does your suggestion, as the player needs to become Omega as a requirement for your SP redistribution. My suggestion suggest this skill point redistribution for skill point 5 mil and lower pilots and for the only alfa limited skills.. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236/174 "2021-02-19T15:41:04Z")
Yes, but only if they become Omega, right? Also, most Alpha skills are core skills that are always useful, so why do you need to redistribute them? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sugestion-to-ccp-to-increase-new-player-retention-and-omega/290236.md?page=9)