# Suggestion: Make Belt Rats harder in 0.5-0.9 Sec Systems **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 29, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943 "2021-03-29T18:51:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dray\_Cil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dray_cil/32/418073_2.png) [@Dray\_Cil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dray_Cil)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/1 "2021-03-29T18:51:43Z")
First, let me address the obvious knee-jerk reaction I will get for posting this: “Go to low-sec or null-sec if you want harder rats!”. Answer: You are right. I do when I want to kill stronger rats and get better bounties and loot. The point of this post is just to show the inconsistency and give new players more variety and challenge as they improve their skills. Right now, from 0.5 above, you usually get the same old 10k bounty rats, with a rare exception once in a while. I suggest the following: 0.9 = 10k frigate rats 0.8 = 15k stronger frigate rats 0.7 = 25k destroyer rats 0.6 = 50k cruiser rats 0.5 = 100k battlecruiser rats Not too rewarding, but just enough change to make things interesting, especially for miners. Opinions? Suggestions? Tell me to Take Off? Any reply welcome. Dray Cil ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/2 "2021-03-29T18:57:21Z")
While I dont think the payouts should be increased I do feel that HS rats in general should be a lot harder. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/3 "2021-03-29T19:54:41Z")
Probably. Power creep has made the anemic ones there are kinda useless for everything. And CCP’s move to populate the universe with more “realistic” ones like with Pirate FOBs and mining fleets kinda petered out. There probably should be a more challenging gradient of NPCs, ideally with motivations and consequences to fight. And there should, occasionally be ones that you just can beat that show up and ruin your day. The trigs idea is kinda along those lines, with a wormhole spawn bringing unexpected spice to a highsec system, but they are too predictable and too easy to trivially invalidate with standings. Ideally though, they aren’t just random, but would be tied in to the universe somehow and player actions. It’s a tall order that requires a lot of work and thought to get right, but it is something that CCP has expressed interest in and I’d love to see. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/4 "2021-03-29T19:57:53Z")
Why not populate 0.5-0.9 with ganker-strong rats? Whole fleets of them, wave after wave after… that should give somewhat of a challenge to miners. ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/5 "2021-03-29T20:11:04Z")
you mean like …FOB? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/6 "2021-03-29T20:58:21Z")
Kill trigs. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/7 "2021-03-30T04:32:49Z")
I don’t know much about anything in this game yet. FOB, POS, ESS, NFC, CIA… ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/8 "2021-03-30T04:34:06Z")
Yes, they should have the Triglavians in those belts, whole fleets of Trigs. ---
**Author:** ![Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaendil_reyksen/32/259961_2.png) [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaendil_Reyksen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/9 "2021-03-30T05:07:41Z")
I like that idea. How about a mix of Trigs and really tough rats, like -0.9 rats? Also, reduce the speed of mining guns to half so it takes twice as long to mine anything? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/10 "2021-03-30T05:10:32Z")
You can see trigs sometimes in mining belts around Jita, they are already there, killing orcas and exhumers. Also watch out on gates. The other hard rats are the empire mining response fleets, if you shoot the NPC miners. So plenty of hard stuff to kill, if you really want it. ---
**Author:** ![Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaendil_reyksen/32/259961_2.png) [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaendil_Reyksen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/11 "2021-03-30T05:28:02Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You can see trigs sometimes in mining belts around Jita I’m talking in _all_ belts everywhere. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > The other hard rats are the empire mining response fleets, if you shoot the NPC miners. I’m talking they attack even if you don’t shoot the NPC miners. Just making the belts battle zones, killing fields. That ought to provide content for them miners. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/12 "2021-03-30T05:31:50Z")
Meh, you get gankers for that. They can be battled too. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/13 "2021-03-30T05:33:21Z")
That’s what I’m talking about. There could also be toxic gas in space that damage your ship to where you have to back off the belts, recharge shields and get back in to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaendil_reyksen/32/259961_2.png) [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaendil_Reyksen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/14 "2021-03-30T05:36:35Z")
How about mine fields in belts? One mismaneuver and boom! ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/15 "2021-03-30T05:38:50Z")
Good idea. Belts in hisec should be as dangerous as nullsec if not more. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/16 "2021-03-30T06:08:09Z")
HiSec should get more dangerous but also more lucrative as you move down from 1.0 to 0.5. And I don’t just mean CONCORD response times, but they way Crimewatch and flagging works, how strong and also how aggressive NPCs are. I’d like to see low SP players having to form groups to survive in 0.5. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/17 "2021-03-30T06:10:23Z")
Gankers can’t be in all belts all the time. I’m saying, a permanent threat. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/18 "2021-03-30T06:16:25Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > I’d like to see low SP players having to form groups to survive in 0.5. I’d like to see low SP players having to stay in 0.8 and above due to the threats in lower systems. I’d like to see 0.7 systems and under be as risky as null or more. Trigs, tough NPC, mine fields, gankers… all those need to permanently be in belts and even around stations. I’d like CONCORD to only be in higher sec space like 0.8 and above. As for hisec being lucrative, I think the loot and mining yields should be cut by half or more. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/19 "2021-03-30T06:16:40Z")
> [@Admiral\_M\_fune](#): > > Good idea. Belts in hisec should be as dangerous as nullsec if not more. I don’t think so. This would hurt new players and not affect senior players as much. Perhaps an adaptive system; the rats that show up depend on what you’re flying. [But I also think asteroid belts should be heavily nerfed and replaced with dynamic anoms oriented towards group play.](https://xuixiendares.blogspot.com/2021/03/future-visions-mining.html) ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943/20 "2021-03-30T06:19:39Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > I don’t think so. This would hurt new players and not affect senior players as much. That’s the point. I think there’s not enough threats to new players. Hisec is already too large in my opinion. I think hisec with CONCORD intervention should be constrained to 0.8 and up while 0.7 and on down should be like null. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-make-belt-rats-harder-in-0-5-0-9-sec-systems/302943.md?page=2)