# \[Suggestion\] Restrict The Summit to Capsuleers only **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2020, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542 "2020-03-19T09:04:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/41 "2020-03-24T04:51:11Z")
If we decided to abandon the founding principles of the channel and start excluding people based on stated occupation, then I would have to call for the removal of Blood Raiders and Sansha, half the current moderators would call for Amarr to be removed, and so on. The channel only functions as a neutral space if it remains completely open to people regardless of background or occupation. So if someone has access to the necessary communications relays, they have access to the summit. And unless they actually do something that makes them deserve moderation, who they are does not matter. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/42 "2020-03-24T07:53:36Z")
It is still possible to have a neutral place for capsuleers only. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/43 "2020-03-24T08:19:36Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > he channel only functions as a neutral space if it remains completely open to people As I understood it, it was open to _capsuleers_, not open to all _people_, to begin with. But whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Saava\_Valtovist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saava_valtovist/32/279695_2.png) [@Saava\_Valtovist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saava_Valtovist)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/44 "2020-03-24T08:42:55Z")
> [@Havohej](#): > > Impossible to enforce. The moderator tools are _right there_, and work perfectly. > [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > then I would have to call for the removal of Blood Raiders and Sansha, half the current moderators would call for Amarr to be removed, and so on. Your calls would be ignored, as long as they are _capsuleer_ Blood Raiders and Sansha who have something to add to a general conversation. I don’t see how deciding on having an intended audience would automatically lead to needless restrictions within that audience. That’s a slippery slope argument. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/45 "2020-03-24T12:50:12Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > As I understood it, it was open to _capsuleers_ , not open to all _people_ , to begin with. [The rather naive founding statement, if you are interested.](https://eve-search.com/thread/211278-0/page/1#1) It was admittedly a rather insanely idealistic time. > [@Saava\_Valtovist](#): > > Your calls would be ignored, as long as they are _capsuleer_ Blood Raiders and Sansha who have something to add to a general conversation. I don’t see how deciding on having an intended audience would automatically lead to needless restrictions within that audience. That’s a slippery slope argument. The analogy that operates is less slippery slope than avalanche. I already get criticism for not using my powers as owner of the channel to remove heretics from the forum. Nobody that I answer to is bothered by non-capsuleers being present. So if I start saying “Oh, it’s for everyone… except that group!” they are going to ask me why the “except that group” wasn’t the actually problematic people like Sani Sabik or Sansha. And the avalanche starts. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/46 "2020-03-24T20:34:32Z")
“As you may be able to tell from its name, The Summit is intended as a real time version of this forum.” And this forum was, in the beginning, and at the time of writing of that statement, a specifically _capsuleer_ forum. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/47 "2020-03-24T22:30:22Z")
Yet, we have people who claim to be non-capsuleers posting here now. The exact same rules of access apply to being able to post on this forum and being able to post on the live channel. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/48 "2020-03-24T22:38:45Z")
This board and The Summit are not moderated by the same people, so it will be hard to expect them to be extensions of each other. Especially when there already are another channel managed by the same people as this board. This thread is an suggestion to the moderators of The Summit. What the moderators on this board decides to do is up to them. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/49 "2020-03-24T22:57:32Z")
Also, people have been on both this forum and on The Summit claiming to be non-capsuleers for pretty much the entire time either has been active. Usually the claims are outlandish things such as “I am an Illegal Artificial Lifeform” or “I am a Triglavian” rather than “I’m a boring normal person,” but claiming that either have ever been exclusively capsuleer requires all of those people to have been making ■■■■ up. And for all I know, all of those types have been lying, and I have no idea how they gain access to capsuleer communications systems. But I also really don’t care enough about them to try and police their claims. If they make a nuisance of themselves, we can moderate them, but we aren’t going to preemptively be moderating people based on claimed background. ---
**Author:** ![Havohej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/havohej/32/325132_2.png) [@Havohej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Havohej)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/50 "2020-03-25T09:15:55Z")
> [@Saava\_Valtovist](#): > > The moderator tools are _right there_ , and work perfectly. What does a baseliner’s Summit avatar look like, I wonder. If I didn’t have a history on the kill feeds, one might suggest that I was a baseliner. Are you a baseliner? Is Mizhir? If I don’t go out of my way looking for evidence, or a person doesn’t tell me they’re not a capsuleer, I would never know. That’s what I mean by ‘impossible to enforce’. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/51 "2020-03-25T10:31:31Z")
Nobody sane is asking for _The Summit_ to be sanitised of baseliner presence. That is something that is unenforceable, I can only speak on my own account; but those baseliners for whom you’d have to seek out evidence are not the issue. The issue arises when the channel becomes a soap box for baseliner issues, these issues often framed in a manner either to assert moral superiority over or dehumanise capsuleers. We are all painfully aware not only of what the worst of us become, but the difficulties faced by the rest of us in retaining a perspective that our past selves would recognise in a life often absent meaningful consequence. There are some baseliners from whom I take counsel, others from whom I take orders. I frequent _The Summit_ for neither of these things, but to converse in a setting where I feel comfortable neither to mitigate or conceal the baggage that comes with being what I now am. I remain singularly confident that I am not alone in that. ---
**Author:** ![Saava\_Valtovist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saava_valtovist/32/279695_2.png) [@Saava\_Valtovist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saava_Valtovist)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/52 "2020-03-25T10:41:04Z")
> [@Havohej](#): > > If I don’t go out of my way looking for evidence, or a person doesn’t tell me they’re not a capsuleer, I would never know. > > That’s what I mean by ‘impossible to enforce’. Even if I _were_ proposing that the Summit should be restricted entirely to capsuleer access only, which I’m empathically _not_ – that someone might break rules, or even break them undetected, isn’t itself an argument against having them. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/53 "2020-03-25T14:10:47Z")
Maybe you capsuleers should just try to accept things as they are and do not forcefully shape things until they fit your wishes one time… I’m really mad about this topic! How can you be so self centered that every little thing that doesn’t fit in your view of the world needs to be removed or destroyed? -.-’ Have you ever thought about other people? If I didn’t find access to the summit, my whole organisation would not exist and I would probably still fly shuttles or a small mining Reaper. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/54 "2020-03-25T15:04:21Z")
> [@Komi\_Valentine](#): > > Maybe you capsuleers should just try to accept things as they are and do not forcefully shape things until they fit your wishes one time… Maybe you should just accept that every place isn’t meant to cater to you and your needs. There are plenty of other opportunities to engage with capsuleers. But sometimes we need places we can converse with peers. > [@Komi\_Valentine](#): > > Have you ever thought about other people? Yes. Plenty of times. > [@Komi\_Valentine](#): > > If I didn’t find access to the summit, my whole organisation would not exist and I would probably still fly shuttles or a small mining Reaper. 😕 Congratulations. You have been lucky to gain a priviledge that countless of others will never achieve. If you should get access to the Summit and benefit from it, why shouldn’t everyone also? ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/55 "2020-03-25T16:24:56Z")
> [@Komi\_Valentine](#): > > Maybe you capsuleers should just try to accept things Make no mistake to be a capsuleer is not pitiable, it is fortunate not to need the acceptance of mankind at large, because it’s not something we will ever see. I and most others fully accept baseliners, those who share my opinion are not lacking in acceptance, we are asking to be afforded a space where we ourselves are accepted… at least on that one issue. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/56 "2020-03-25T17:23:45Z")
> [@Komi\_Valentine](#): > > I’m really mad about this topic! How can you be so self centered that every little thing that doesn’t fit in your view of the world needs to be removed or destroyed? -.-’ > Have you ever thought about other people? > > If I didn’t find access to the summit, my whole organisation would not exist and I would probably still fly shuttles or a small mining Reaper. They care about you only slightly more than they care about their crew losses. And that’s just because you got into their channels and are now more than a string of numbers: an annoyance they’d like to remove. They’re a “class”, you see. And why they are a “class”? because your government (yup, yours too, RSS grabbed me from an orphanage in Hek at 16 just because I tested positive) removed all consequences from them and showered them in money. But if there’s a class of people who can do anything, like mass murder and expect nothing worse than a mild fine for that, there’s a revolution. Or sometimes even the Rebellion 😉 Maybe this whole thread is a hint that it’s time to stop making fan clubs and start sabotaging clone bays? Just sayin ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/57 "2020-03-25T18:16:22Z")
Nice little story you two are spinning. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/58 "2020-03-25T18:46:06Z")
Hey, the old Aria - not the reborn Amarrian pet - prophecized it like ten years ago in her “Exodus”. It’s kinda inevitable and, IMO, the ■■■■’s pretty overdue. ---
**Author:** ![Komi\_Valentine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/komi_valentine/32/502956_2.png) [@Komi\_Valentine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Komi_Valentine)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/59 "2020-03-25T18:53:47Z")
> [@Jade\_Blackwind](#): > > Maybe this whole thread is a hint that it’s time to stop making fan clubs and start sabotaging clone bays? I don’t think sabotaging anything is the right way to improve. I think it needs honesty and emotional connection 🙂 We need capsuleers to face some threats like the Triglavian and Sansha invasions. Without their experience and “magical manpower” Concord and our militia wouldn’t stand a chance. But on the other hand they don’t need us in any way and this leads them to treating humans like “numbers”. In my opinion it’s really important for humanity, that capsuleers and “baseliners” work together and form a meaningful balanced relationship. If the capsuleers fail us completely and turn against us, we are all lost. That’s why this topic is making me so angry, hope you understand. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542/60 "2020-03-25T19:12:10Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > claiming that either have ever been exclusively capsuleer requires all of those people to have been making ■■■■ up. Which, let’s face it, eggers wouldn’t be above. People want to feel ‘special’. > [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > Nobody sane is asking for _The Summit_ to be sanitised of baseliner presence. > [@Mizhir](#): > > Therefore I suggest a complete ban on baseliners in The Summit with mods actively removing them from the channel in case they gain access. So, are you saying Mizhir’s not sane? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-restrict-the-summit-to-capsuleers-only/226542.md?page=4)