# Suggestion to helping new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 1, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994 "2019-07-01T14:43:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Zeff\_Shardani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeff_shardani/32/144840_2.png) [@Zeff\_Shardani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeff_Shardani)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/101 "2019-07-02T15:05:27Z")
I like the concept but that would be quite hard to implement successfully. I personally think the best approach is getting a mentor for a specific thing such as “scanning, manufacturing, etc” as part of the starting missions. They could explain and give guidance on the subject matter that interests you as a starting point. Also, silly that this post degraded into attacking people because they don’t go out of their way to PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/102 "2019-07-02T15:38:32Z")
> [@Zeff\_Shardani](#): > > Also, silly that this thread degraded into attacking people because they PvP. Ftfy xoxox ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/103 "2019-07-02T17:17:55Z")
> [@theUbermann](#): > > This thread has gone so far out from what I intended. From discussing a mentor system to trading insults so I am out. Maybe if you hadn’t equated PvP to griefing on the forums of a PvP game you’d have done better. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/104 "2019-07-02T19:24:26Z")
They really went for you didn’t they, I don’t expect you will ever come near the forums again after this rather unpleasant case of dog piling. It does not matter if you don’t PvP and don’t like it as long as someone else mentors them on that. I guess these people are telling you that you cannot mentor on indy, mining, missions and exploration because you don’t do PvP and you don’t enjoy it. All I can say to that is, weird… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/105 "2019-07-02T19:43:37Z")
He can do what he wants, but he’ll have a hard time helping someone avoid PvP (as he wont mentor someone who wants to do it) without knowing what it even is. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/106 "2019-07-02T19:52:47Z")
I don’t think anyone said the OP cannot mentor people. Actually, I recall specifically telling the OP to just go start a mentor community. However, this whole PvP debate was more to illustrate how mentors can be biased and not really teach the actual game mechanics, but instead some personal interpretation of them. Because of this, it means that the quality of mentorship vary a lot and thus does not really justify throwing dev hours at it to implement some in-game feature. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/107 "2019-07-02T20:02:00Z")
Every new player in New Even really could watch this clip … shoot em, blast em,nab em, grab em, box em now… shoot them in the air! Shake em… bake em, cook em clean em… quick quick quick… this is how I feel when in combat. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/108 "2019-07-02T20:09:09Z")
If you every bothered to correctly read and quote someone you might get better replies. The post you ref to said victims not noobes, and referred bullying and harrassment of players. But you seem to enjoy harassing people in the forums, so less likely to read thing and understand what you clearly disagree with, its your way or the highway mentality. Its interesting to see the number of negative posters in the forums, most seem to be pvp players who aren’t prepared to accept that EVE is going through changes since **Black Pearl** took over, and there are those trying to suggest concepts to help improve the game instead of letting it stagnate where its been for a while. EVE does have issues in keeping new players, there are bullies, scammers and more within the EVE player base. But there are also those that are willing to help others learn the game, sure @theubermann doesn’t focus on PVP, as its not his key focus, but i know many other players that do train players in PVP and PVE. It seems many hardcore PVP players think EVE is solely a PVP game, just made soley for them, well bad news it isn’t! **EVE Onilne is an Sandbox game** , designed to allow players to design their own play style, and built things. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/109 "2019-07-02T20:52:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > He can do what he wants, but he’ll have a hard time helping someone avoid PvP (as he wont mentor someone who wants to do it) without knowing what it even is. I don’t think that was his intent to mentor in that area, I mean to develop people an understanding of indy at the T2 level is a lot of work and requires good knowledge. > [@Maekchu](#): > > I don’t think anyone said the OP cannot mentor people. Actually, I recall specifically telling the OP to just go start a mentor community. Not you as such, but it sure seemed that way by some of the people here. > [@Maekchu](#): > > However, this whole PvP debate was more to illustrate how mentors can be biased and not really teach the actual game mechanics, but instead some personal interpretation of them. That is a weird idea, we all have biases, for example if I taught people about PvP I would focus first on avoidance tactics and tricks, but others would go for in your face blaster type stuff and others kiting. Bias is perfectly normal, as well as personal interpretations of them. > [@Maekchu](#): > > Because of this, it means that the quality of mentorship vary a lot and thus does not really justify throwing dev hours at it to implement some in-game feature. Of course, and I think he would not be offering his services on PvP. As for the idea people like me sort of help people when we come across them in game and they need help, but I don’t really think I would be interested in such a programme, but it might create some interest. I still think he was dog piled. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/110 "2019-07-02T20:55:49Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I don’t think that was his intent to mentor in that area, I mean to develop people an understanding of indy at the T2 level is a lot of work and requires good knowledge. I agree, and if I over reacted to that, fair enough. But you do get what Im saying? If he tells new players pvp is griefing, what does he tell them to do about it? Maybe I should mind my own business. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/111 "2019-07-02T21:11:31Z")
I will reply to you tomorrow, I think at the start he misused grief. I took that use as being more that he did not want to give people grief himself, I don’t think it was an accusation. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/112 "2019-07-04T16:25:44Z")
“The only way to win is to deny them battle.” ---
**Author:** ![Sid\_Rust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sid_rust/32/464126_2.png) [@Sid\_Rust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sid_Rust)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/113 "2019-07-04T16:56:34Z")
Tossing my two ISK in here. I’m pretty new. I knew I wanted to PvP so I asked around for FW and got to taking to a small group who invited me. They tossed like 50 fits at me and I fleeted up with a veteran to roam low sec and null. I learned about gate camps (he survived I didn’t), how to dscan FW gates and find people in systems, manually piloting techniques, making sure to turn off auto reload armor repair, different ammo types, sling shots, when to kite vs brawl, and much more. I even landed my first solo kill from what I learned. I tried Eve about 5 years ago, and right out of the gate joined one of the big null groups. All I learned was push F1 when we say, and I died anyways. I didn’t stay passed the free month then. So my advice, to anyone new. Get an idea what you want to do, and join a small but active Corp. that does that. Way better than the huge null groups that recruits thousands of players who don’t even know each other without a blue mark next to your name. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/114 "2019-07-04T17:17:06Z")
I’d totally be up for this and would be happy to resub to help out with it. ---
**Author:** ![karma\_balancer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karma_balancer/32/477046_2.png) [@karma\_balancer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/karma_balancer)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/115 "2019-07-06T11:11:03Z")
The best thing for new player retention is to be ganked by an agent of the New Order. Get a permit and accept James 315 as your saviour. - helping to retain new players since 2012, you are welcome. praise James 315 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suggestion-to-helping-new-players/170994/116 "2019-10-04T11:11:06Z")
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