# Suicide ganking balance **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [October 26, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028 "2018-10-26T14:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/164 "2018-11-05T13:17:39Z")
> [@Trevor\_Dalech](#): > > Not all -10 players are high sec gankers, and sometimes there are valid reasons for them to take the risk of travelling through high sec. My suggestions have nothing to do with the traveling through high sec as -10, as i see no need for changes in that aspect. The issue is just about being able to dock and having permanent sanctuary in high sec as outlaw. So the point is not to deny the access for outlaws to the high sec space, and not even to remove their ability to suicide gank, but to reduce the facile access to soft targets for some lazy gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/165 "2018-11-06T06:07:31Z")
Hey @Predvodnica_LSG can you do us a favor??? on almost every thread you post on…you try to get in about CCP fianances and stuff… Please just can it and STFU if you cant stay on perfect topic. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/167 "2018-11-06T07:00:36Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Please just can it and STFU NOPE 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/168 "2018-11-06T07:01:11Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It won’t, because it’s an idiot. I love you too 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/169 "2018-11-06T07:41:10Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > Yes you are CCP CFO and know when CCP was successfull and when not! 🤣 > > New bosses have whole insight in past and present financial data and they will make appropriate decisions. 😊 😖😙🙁😂😴😥😚😅😤🥵🙁😨🙃😑🤣😫😛 There is no sign whatsoever that CCP is listening to your “concerns” or planning to turn EVE into the risk-free carebear dystopia you wish for. 😑🤐😏😫😝🥰😠🙃😱😡🤧😇🤑😕😛🧐🤢 ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/170 "2018-11-06T07:55:19Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > There is no sign whatsoever that CCP is listening to your “concerns” or planning to turn EVE into the risk-free carebear dystopia you wish for. 1. CCP is only servant, PA is in charge now 2. I am not requesting anything from PA, I just folow their moves, and PA “listening” bussines logic 😊 ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/171 "2018-11-06T07:59:22Z")
On the contrary, this thread is about bringing more risk in the game, not less. The ability to travel through high sec or to suicide gank as outlaw will just stay in place. What must change is that if you like to shoot people you must also be available as a target! You cannot ask for haulers to be free targets as long you can hide all day long in a high sec station or citadel. You must also feel the taste of danger and uncertainty of low sec life, and learn to live and deal with it’s challenges… So stop using a safe high sec sanctuary and accept to take some risk on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/173 "2018-11-06T08:04:40Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Like I said, no evidence CCP is doing anything to listen to your demands for removing PvP. Hint: take a look at BDO. PvP but a quite different fron Eve “PVP” 😊 ( Evil John would say: Real PVP not EVEs BS ) ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/174 "2018-11-06T08:06:08Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > What must change is that if you like to shoot people you must also be available as a target! You already are a target. Declare a war, suicide gank them back, etc. In fact, if they’re -10 (and most suicide gankers aren’t going to bother to keep their sec status up) it should be trivially easy to attack these people. You don’t even have to bring DPS to kill them, just point them for a few seconds as they warp around and the NPCs will finish the job. What you are actually lobbying for is for game mechanics to do the job of punishing suicide gankers because carebears refuse to do the job. > You cannot ask for haulers to be free targets as long you can hide all day long in a high sec station or citadel. Haulers are not free targets. Suicide ganking is an opt-in mechanic, if you don’t want to be suicide ganked then don’t volunteeer to participate in it. It’s extremely difficult to suicide gank a smart player and make a profit. The only “free targets” are stupid players who cram as much ISK as possible into poorly tanked ships and autopilot obliviously through dangerous space. And if you’re going to make that many poor decisions you _should_ be an easy target. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/175 "2018-11-06T08:07:29Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > I don’t understand that a publisher can have multiple different games with different design concepts and not destroy an existing game by trying to make it into a clone of something else. You’re right about that part. 😏😑😊🤩😏😐😯😑😟😰😬😤😩🤯😨🥵😱🤒😷🤑🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/176 "2018-11-06T08:17:08Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You’re right about that part. Yes ¨I am right, Eve will change, a lot! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/177 "2018-11-06T08:24:16Z")
Are you actually a person or just a defective chat bot programmed to spam anti-PvP complaints and an idiotic number of 🙂 s? ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/178 "2018-11-06T08:27:38Z")
I must correct you, it is not anti-PVP it is anti EVE **“PVP”**. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/180 "2018-11-06T08:35:40Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You do realize that the 🙂 s you constantly spam make you look like either a small child or someone suffering from a serious mental disability, right? Don’t care about that, I just document the changes in Eve 😊 ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/181 "2018-11-06T08:38:17Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You already are a target. Declare a war, suicide gank them back, etc. In fact, if they’re -10 (and most suicide gankers aren’t going to bother to keep their sec status up) it should be trivially easy to attack these people. No, it’s not trivial to attack them, that is the issue, as they hide in a high sec station or citadel for 99.99% of their playing time. If all outlaws will be forced to move their bases in low sec or null, the faction police will not be any longer a problem even for the gankers, and they will be able to undock more and be active players, providing more game content for others as well. As it is now, with them having this bad habit of just staying docked all day long, their interaction and PVP opportunities for other players are minimal. Gankers need to travel more and become available targets as any other player, and also must get used to stay in space more than few seconds every few hours or so. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/182 "2018-11-06T08:57:31Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > Don’t care about that, I just document the changes in my delusional fantasies Thank god your ideas about EVE are not reality. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/183 "2018-11-06T08:58:19Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > No, it’s not trivial to attack them, that is the issue, as they hide in a high sec station or citadel for 99.99% of their playing time. Then I don’t see the problem. If they’re hiding in station to avoid attack then they’ve been neutralized as a threat. You won, what more do you want? ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/184 "2018-11-06T09:00:15Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You won, what more do you want? That is now, look at Karma system in BDO and you will see how things will going on in Eve 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/185 "2018-11-06T09:15:26Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > That is now, look at Karma system in BDO and you will see how things will going on in Eve 😊 You mean [this](https://blackdesert.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/211774765-Karma): > Karma > > Karma refers to the alignment system which affects your relationship to players and NPC’s, in regards to PvP. You gain karma by killing monsters. > > When you initiate open world PvP, or flag on another player, you lose karma for assaulting that player. If you strike a death blow, you lose more karma for murder. > > If you go below 0 karma, you are permanently flagged until you raise your karma, and NPC guards will kill you on sight. This is literally how it already is in Eve. Replace ‘Karma’ with ‘Security Status’ and ‘0’ with ‘-5’ (and I guess ‘monsters’ with ‘rats’ and ‘murder’ with ‘pod killing’) you have a description that could be found on the Eve Online support page. Seriously, do you not have anything better to do than be obnoxious? ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-balance/116028/186 "2018-11-06T09:28:51Z")
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