# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/265 "2025-12-05T01:41:45Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > And no amount would be enough for you to admit that there is a consequence. Question is why the miners who are making so much ISK by mining like the guy ranting in industry part of the forum are so mad about losing measly 280mil once a week lol. That’s the bit that never gets mentioned in the miners ‘losing everything’ rants. Even the lowliest of the low gaussian laser Venture can rake in 150-200m ISK a month. The ship itself is worth barely 0.5m ISK. It’s making 300 times its cost every month. Yet somehow this miner has ‘lost everything’ if he loses it. ( Never mind that one can get a new one FREE from an agent ). That same Venture can mine enough to pay for a Retriever in just a few weeks. A T2 Venture can do so in a week or so. The miner could pay for 4 new Retrievers every month….just from the income from a Venture. Even mining the cheapest ore….the Retriever should be able to pay for a new Retriever in about 12 hours or so. From this one starts to realise that miners are raking in millions….and basic mining ships are easily replaceable from that. The whole ‘losing everything’ rhetoric is sheer BS. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/266 "2025-12-05T01:56:36Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Venture can mine enough to pay for a Retriever in just a few weeks “_just_” a few _weeks_. To earn 50kk. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/267 "2025-12-05T02:08:44Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > “_just_” a few _weeks_. To earn 50kk. Well…..that miner is obviously never gonna wait 31 days for Minmatar Battleship level V just to get in a Vargur let alone have the ‘advanced’ skills for large turrets…..so 2 weeks is very much a case of ‘just’. ---
**Author:** ![Derlin\_Fishen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derlin_fishen/32/477895_2.png) [@Derlin\_Fishen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derlin_Fishen)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/268 "2025-12-05T02:47:48Z")
That poster is not wrong: this place is quite toxic. It’s not Steam, but still fairly petulant. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/269 "2025-12-05T02:54:10Z")
It’s about 12 days for a brand new character to sit in a Retriever, another 6ish days for this basic highsec fit. I don’t mine in highsec, so I pulled this off the Workbench. Null and WH mining are different fits. [Retriever, \*Retriever Highsec II] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Compact Multispectrum Shield Hardener Medium Shield Extender II Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II Right now in Jita this fit is 117 million isk, so a casual highsec venture miner could earn enough to buy this retriever as soon as it unlocks with 2-4 hours of mining a day. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/270 "2025-12-05T03:04:33Z")
God that’s depressing to think about. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/271 "2025-12-05T05:39:51Z")
The depressing part isn’t that it takes a few weeks to afford or skill the next ‘better fit’. The depressing part is that the _activity_ of mining is so incredible dull and boring during all that time… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/272 "2025-12-05T07:42:02Z")
When you think about it, mining is way too low risk. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/273 "2025-12-05T07:49:36Z")
Absolutely, all the ‘safe’ mining fields should be harvested out by the empires for centuries… the remaining ones should be full of natural hazards, lurking pirates and unstable roids that might damage ships trying to mine from them. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/274 "2025-12-05T13:56:02Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > That’s the bit that never gets mentioned in the miners ‘losing everything’ rants. Even the lowliest of the low gaussian laser Venture can rake in 150-200m ISK a month. The ship itself is worth barely 0.5m ISK. It’s making 300 times its cost every month. Yet somehow this miner has ‘lost everything’ if he loses it. If I lose a ship I am always blaming myself and start thinking “if I did (or didn’t do) that” or “I should have done that”. and immediatelly start devising a plan or strategy how to avoid the same loss next time. But not carebears. If they lose it is never their fault. It is fault of the killer or game itself because the game allowed it! This is why they are so despised by everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/275 "2025-12-05T14:25:53Z")
CCP should put Diamond Rats in every mining field throughout high sec. I’m being genuine. It would seriously spice things up. Rats are too easy in High Sec. Hell, they’re too easy in Low sec. Diamond Rats are way more fun! ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/276 "2025-12-05T14:57:04Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > Tags aren’t expensive. Last I checked it was 550 million isk for a full reset from -10 to 0. You didn’t answer my question arguments. Btw, lets say that CCP does indeed remove Clone Soldier tags. Not entirely, they will definitely keep it as an extra content for lowsec, but the ability to increase your security status with them. I think, given the fact how hard is CCP going after gankers in last years, that this is might actually happen. I will tell you what will I do. And majority of other gankers. Option 1. Biomassing and re-training new toons. I was told once by a GM that this is against rules, but it isn’t actually written anywhere, it is not a known exploit and I have seen peoples do it for ganking and afaik they weren’t punished. I biomassed a few of my toons with negative status and replaced them with new too, there are legit reasons to do so like chaning name. So we do this until CCP stops that by disallowing to biomass negative status toons 😃 . Not that is is very efficient strategy as the training is so slow, but for destroyers it is doable. Option 2: We will split our toons to half, one group will be farming security status in low or null. The other will be ganking. And we will swap them each time they exceed the security status limit. It will not be easy to multibox that, and we will probably lose half our dps, but it is doable and we will manage to do it. Some of us might even expand their omega accounts as they no longer lose money on tags and actually earns money from ratting. Therefore in the end, the ganker toons will be still ready to gank “24/7” and you will still complain that there are no consequences and that we can gank permanently without break. Option 3: We will stop caring about our security status and gank as -10 ciminals. That will limit what we can gank considerably - only something that is already in space on a spot we can warp directly to (mining belts, anomalies, some missions and perhaps some singatures, and slow warping haulers on gates). That makes us slightly vulnerable to antiganking again, but not that much because antigankers sucks, And you will keep complaining that there is no consequence because we actually don’t have to fix our security status at all. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/277 "2025-12-05T22:47:32Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > If I lose a ship I am always blaming myself and start thinking “if I did (or didn’t do) that” or “I should have done that”. and immediatelly start devising a plan or strategy how to avoid the same loss next time. That’s my stance too. Every ship loss is my fault. I recall after one ship loss I realised my ‘safe’ spots were useless and easily found…and I set up a whole bunch of new ones which nobody has yet followed me to. Every loss is a learning opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/278 "2025-12-07T13:53:27Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Every ship loss is my fault. That is **classic self-blame** , and in psychology it usually falls under a few well-known patterns: **1. Internalized guilt** The victim assumes the harm happened because of something they did, even when they had no control over it. **2. Cognitive distortion called “personalization”** They take responsibility for things that were never actually their responsibility. **3. Trauma response** Victims often blame themselves because it gives them an illusion of control. “Maybe if I had done something differently, it wouldn’t have happened.” It feels safer than admitting someone else chose to hurt them. **4. Learned helplessness** Long-term mistreatment trains the person to believe their actions cause the abuse, so they adapt by blaming themselves instead of the abuser. **5. Gaslighting effects** If the abuser has repeatedly shifted blame onto the victim, the victim eventually internalizes that narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/279 "2025-12-07T14:01:13Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > That is **classic self-blame** Oh my God….what a load of comedic and hilarious nonsense you posted. Thanks for the laugh. Glad to see ChatGPT even has a sense of humour to counter your obvious lack of any. Lol. Next time I lose a ship I must remember to have some ‘Internalized Guilt’ and ‘Trauma Response’. Yes….never mind that I’d just set up my safe spots with little care and attention and got followed…..I was a victim ! I must remember to go into victim mode ! It could not possibly be my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/280 "2025-12-07T14:06:20Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > even when they had no control over it. but they had. > [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > were never actually their responsibility. but they were. > [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > “Maybe if I had done something differently, it wouldn’t have happened.” Indeed it wouldn’t have happened. > [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > so they adapt by blaming themselves instead of the abuser. Their own fault if they can’t make the next step, which would be actually _analyzing what exactly went wrong_ and then _adapting to improve_. > [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > the victim eventually internalizes that narrative. If you can’t take the pain, don’t bite the pepper. There is a huge number of fluffy-puffy non-PvP games out there where you get auto-rewards even when playing on the most stupid level. Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/282 "2025-12-07T16:42:57Z")
That’s what I’ve been telling him for years. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/283 "2025-12-07T17:33:13Z")
> [@Andlaust](#): > > psychoanalyzing “`Won't you think of those poor horses that die on a daily basis on chess boards?! What a sheer massive level of animal cruelty!`” 🤔 😏 🍿 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/284 "2025-12-07T18:32:40Z")
Its time to stop calling it high sec ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/285 "2025-12-07T18:55:00Z")
Okay, stop calling it that. No one cares what you call it. 🤷 You can call it whatever you want. Whether anyone follows you is entirely up to them. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=15)