# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/21 "2025-10-04T19:26:49Z")
Player count dropped far less in the same time than the steep drop of Namdor’s chart: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/3/4/734619d9e0f9e508ffa334a3a74aa1c555174f70.png) So on average the amount of ganks per capita still went down. ---
**Author:** ![Vailiina\_Rissanu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vailiina_rissanu/32/502165_2.png) [@Vailiina\_Rissanu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vailiina_Rissanu)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/22 "2025-10-04T23:42:02Z")
Player count not alt botting accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/23 "2025-10-04T23:43:41Z")
So divide by 2.5, the last number CCP gave us for the alt to player ratio. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/24 "2025-10-05T00:49:35Z")
It’s funny how people shouting about their feelings, how they’re oppressed and how other people are a problem, _really_ don’t like facts, numbers and plain ole logic. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/25 "2025-10-05T14:40:35Z")
> [@Vailiina\_Rissanu](#): > > Player count not alt botting accounts. I’m not aware of any data available to players that shows this has substantially changed since 2014/2015 but as soon as you post it I will be happy to incorporate it. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/26 "2025-10-06T16:59:34Z")
The funniest part of every “ganking whine thread” is how predictable the replies are. First comes the “Yawn” crowd, who think mocking people counts as an argument. Then someone asks for “sources,” knowing full well CCP doesn’t publish ganking stats. Finally, someone writes a wall of text ending with “it depends who you ask.” Meanwhile, nothing has changed. Organized gankers face almost no real risk because tags erase consequences, and the ships they lose cost less than the ammo they fire. CCP measures “activity” through destruction numbers, so as long as people keep dying, they call it balance. Risk isn’t the same as cost. When you can recycle alts, buy back security status, and profit on almost every kill, that’s not risk. That’s a broken reward loop disguised as sandbox freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa\_Kalissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lissa_kalissa/32/479052_2.png) [@Lissa\_Kalissa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lissa_Kalissa)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/27 "2025-10-06T17:47:35Z")
> [@Hakokeed\_Hakoke](#): > > Title says it all, i agree ganking has a place in eve online, Just as PVP but the amount of high sec ganking has got way out hand Of course ganking has got way out of hand ( or so it seems ) for too many players in Hi-sec look like ambulant Chinese buffet but there is Low-sec where gankers don’t exist, just regular PvPers. That is like drag the shark unto the beach an BBQ it. > [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > The funniest part of every “ganking whine thread” is how predictable the replies are They only use gankers-aproved vocabulary probably the same sentences since 15 years annd their default stance is mockery much easier than use reflexion and reason. > [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > Risk isn’t the same as cost. When you can recycle alts, buy back security status, and profit on almost every kill, that’s not risk. That’s a broken reward loop disguised as sandbox freedom Whatever it may be, I will not hang around in Hi-sec like sitting duck to find out. ---
**Author:** ![WhaleHunter01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whalehunter01/32/475905_2.png) [@WhaleHunter01](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhaleHunter01)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/28 "2025-10-06T20:32:17Z")
Hi, I would say I am a fairly active ganker. AMA. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/30 "2025-10-07T14:41:14Z")
> [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > Then someone asks for “sources,” knowing full well CCP doesn’t publish ganking stats. CCP is not publishing it, but there are other sources where killmails can be reviewed and statistically evaluated if there was a need for it. So I’m not sure why you don’t know about those basic services that were already linked in this thread? So you could fetch the information if you wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Khan\_Hakari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khan_hakari/32/383475_2.png) [@Khan\_Hakari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khan_Hakari)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/31 "2025-10-08T00:32:18Z")
2.5? Is that true? I thought it is way higher. ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/32 "2025-10-08T19:51:17Z")
That highsec gank label is useless. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/33 "2025-10-08T19:53:00Z")
How so? Even if the label isn’t completely 100% accurate, the trend is still clear. ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/34 "2025-10-08T19:55:59Z")
Here is a ganker, how many times do you see the label? Once in a page of ganks! The label is useless and is essentially random. [WhaleHunter01 | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/96214107/) ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/35 "2025-10-08T20:04:44Z")
Happy to incorporate your better data once you provide it. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/36 "2025-10-08T20:06:47Z")
> [@Neugeniko](#): > > Here is a ganker, how many times do you see the label? Once in a page of ganks! The label is useless and is essentially random. [WhaleHunter01 | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/96214107/) It’s hard to tell with certainty that a kill in HS is a gank if there is no corresponding CONCORD loss. Some could have been legal attacks through suspect baiting or war targets. Probably not, but how could Zkillboard tell for certain? As I said, the label may not be 100% accurate. However, assuming that there is no significant change in the accuracy over the years, the downward trend of Namdor’s post is still a big one. ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/37 "2025-10-08T20:13:22Z")
I would say there is less now yes. Just wanted to point out that the label isn’t of much use and is only on a few percent of ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/38 "2025-10-08T20:28:06Z")
Even if the label only shows on half the ganks, we can clearly see that ‘half the ganks’ 10 years was a lot more than ‘half the ganks’ today! ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/39 "2025-10-08T20:30:55Z")
yes. i think good targets have been harder to find. ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/40 "2025-10-08T21:17:40Z")
Just like antigank is limited by the amount of ganking, ganking is limited by the amount of inexperienced targets, its never been easier to research how to travel safer. ---
**Author:** ![Otlichnick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/otlichnick/32/476775_2.png) [@Otlichnick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Otlichnick)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/41 "2025-11-14T20:33:31Z")
[Just Battleships Ganks. (might have to click ‘high sec gank’)](https://zkillboard.com/asearch/#%7B%22buttons%22:%5B%22togglefilters%22,%22week%22,%22rolling%22,%22label-ganked%22,%22attackers-and%22,%22either-or%22,%22victims-or%22,%22sort-date%22,%22sort-desc%22,%22page1%22,%22allinvolved%22%5D,%22victims%22:%5B%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:28661%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:28659%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:28665%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:24690%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:32309%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:645%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:640%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17728%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17732%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:24688%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:32307%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:639%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:644%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:47271%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17736%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:33472%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17918%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17740%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17738%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:33820%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:28710%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:54733%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:32311%7D,%7B%22type%22:%22shipID%22,%22id%22:17920%7D%5D,%22includeAssociates%22:true%7D) It is clear on almost every gank- 10x profit vs what’s killed. None of these players are trying to pvp they are trying to work standings and play a different game. Too many to count are just 1 guy with alts trashing someone else’s day or week. High Sec ganking has always taken away so much of the game for so many for the gratification of the worst type of personality. They hide behind the protections of concord. Without declaration of war there should not be a way to fire on capsuleers in highsec. If you want to gank you should use Low-sec- or Null. The game would be better off for more players if this was fixed- change my mind. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=3)