# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2026, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/516 "2026-02-06T08:53:17Z")
That’s so stupid. CCP is stupid. Reading this makes my brain hurt. Why don’t they just make it so that: A: Repairing someone with a criminal, suspect, or limited engagement timer will give you the same timer. B: Make duels create their own special duel timer, seperate from limited engagement, and repairing someone under this timer is a criminal act so as to prevent third party interference. There. An easy to understand system. I’ve been told there was lots of abuse from third party reppers using their neutrality to cheat the war dec system, but CCP’s “solution” feels like a sledgehammer. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2026, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/517 "2026-02-07T05:48:46Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > but CCP’s “solution” feels like a sledgehammer. When the only tool CCP owns is a hammer everything looks like a nail as the old saying goes. ---
**Author:** ![Jean-Luc\_Prikhard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jean-luc_prikhard/32/488716_2.png) [@Jean-Luc\_Prikhard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jean-Luc_Prikhard)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2026, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/518 "2026-02-08T07:47:23Z")
Well, to be completely honest\< lol. I am not very good at pvp, in-fact I am quite poor at it. Safety and alike are the easiest kills in-game and if someone was truly concerned they would take action. I have found myself watching safety gank over and over, heard all the players screams and cry’s and been the only one doing anything to counter, this went on for years. Everyone wants to complain that they were inconvenienced and it is unfair, they want ccp to continue to nerf ganking which is just crybaby tears for ccp to punish a perfectly valid playstyle. Null bears do the same thing without any repercussions, they don’t have to buy tags or even omega, It is comical the level of hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2026, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/519 "2026-02-08T12:45:48Z")
Hello Jean-Luc! ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2026, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/520 "2026-02-08T15:15:57Z")
What is even more easily to understand is that you have to avoid to bring neutrals with you if you plan to get ganked. Instead bring corpmembers or fleetmembers in suitable ships with you if you plan to get ganked. You don’t plan to get ganked? Your fault i guess if it happened nevertheless… ---
**Author:** ![Jean-Luc\_Prikhard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jean-luc_prikhard/32/488716_2.png) [@Jean-Luc\_Prikhard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jean-Luc_Prikhard)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/521 "2026-02-08T16:02:52Z")
Hi there Princess. ---
**Author:** ![Starcleric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starcleric/32/494085_2.png) [@Starcleric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Starcleric)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/522 "2026-02-16T15:25:07Z")
How can it be zero risk when the ganker loses his ship 100% of the time? ---
**Author:** ![Tharshe\_Bloes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharshe_bloes/32/491277_2.png) [@Tharshe\_Bloes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharshe_Bloes)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/523 "2026-02-16T19:38:45Z")
![1000008096](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/3/9/c39d3389414d2de107dc9a905e4cfa6b5a8f7898.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nisme](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisme/32/515269_2.png) [@Nisme](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisme)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/524 "2026-02-16T20:32:43Z")
You might enjoy [this](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-theory/). - It’s been said before, but ganking is a highly-optimized PvP playstyle. No shortage of napkin maths involved, and not a careless or trivial playstyle either. Also, “suicide ganking” is a misnomer, since the pilot (controlled by a player) always survives. Permadeath is never a possibility. There’s nothing risk-averse about ganking, because there is no uncertainty involved. All the variables are known in advance, it’s merely a matter of committing the necessary resources to achieve a net gain. They’re not “risking” the Catalysts or Tornadoes or whatever, they’re “exchanging” them for the value killed and dropped. There’s no threat, no uncertainty, no risk. The gank playstyle is not about finding human pleasure or excitement in uncertainty. It is not sporting; it is a calculation. It is not low-risk; it is zero-risk, which is its fundamental principle. It is about taking a decisive action to make “number go up”. The reasons that this playstyle would appeal to an individual player are up for debate, and I don’t have any data to make a defensible argument. My personal feeling (not purporting a fact) is that they are nominally reptile-brained individuals with unresolved traumas who attempt to compensate for their own sense of historical weakness through a power fantasy that provides a replacement narrative in which they are actually not weak. We should show compassion to gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/525 "2026-02-16T21:27:50Z")
> [@Nisme](#): > > there is no uncertainty involved. All the variables are known in advance… no uncertainty, no risk. Only people who don’t gank have such ideas. There is in fact quite a lot of uncertainty, and a fair amount of risk. Try it for yourself! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/526 "2026-02-16T21:49:16Z")
> [@Nisme](#): > > There’s nothing risk-averse about ganking, because there is no uncertainty involved. Nice post. Did an AI write it? I asked mine… ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/9/6/996e6711d255127680ed6a7d09009d261cdca985.png) Wow. What about the arguments? Maybe they hold up when taking a closer look? ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/7/5/2759b6dba3da2d4534642516a449043fac6fa037.png) My GPT never even played EVE Online. What’s your excuse? With automated regards -James Fuchs P.S. - I made it also send it’s regards: ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/1/b/71b47547bb5dfcb3ccc27913d2aa6b9bd425d8e8.png) ---
**Author:** ![Tyree\_Jinx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyree_jinx/32/509062_2.png) [@Tyree\_Jinx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyree_Jinx)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/527 "2026-02-16T21:54:21Z")
we need more if anything. multibox carebearing is way out of hand ---
**Author:** ![Starcleric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starcleric/32/494085_2.png) [@Starcleric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Starcleric)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/528 "2026-02-16T22:36:25Z")
Can we ban this user for being a robot? ---
**Author:** ![Tyree\_Jinx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyree_jinx/32/509062_2.png) [@Tyree\_Jinx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyree_Jinx)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/529 "2026-02-16T22:55:55Z")
does seem a bit AI ---
**Author:** ![Nisme](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisme/32/515269_2.png) [@Nisme](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisme)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/530 "2026-02-17T00:34:11Z")
Fun story there: many years ago I was in a feeder corp for Freight Club, but I wasn’t good enough at the game to become a ganker. So believe me when I say I respect the planning and skill involved. ---
**Author:** ![Rus\_Coder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rus_coder/32/491456_2.png) [@Rus\_Coder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rus_Coder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/531 "2026-02-17T09:33:51Z")
I think that there are no problems with ganks in high sec. This is the balance. Do not fly expensive ships and do not carry a nice loot. This is a game not about grinding gold without ability to waste it. Also it helps economy, if no one will burn ships/modules, there will be no need to build them. And sad carebear/miner will not have ability to sell his mission loot/LP/ORE/etc. Someone doesn’t like multi box gankers…maybe no one should have more than 1 character, otherwise it is biased because someone want to autopilot infinite wealth in the most dangerous space like highsec. Even without multibox will be ganked… and we will see posts about removing PvP from PvP game. Go nullsec if there is a need to have a Blue ball around and best safety, or study how to play in shared space with neutrals in local under CONCORD protection, called highsec ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/532 "2026-02-17T12:53:03Z")
> [@Nisme](#): > > There’s nothing risk-averse about ganking, because there is no uncertainty involved. All the variables are known in advance, it’s merely a matter of committing the necessary resources to achieve a net gain. They’re not “risking” the Catalysts or Tornadoes or whatever, they’re “exchanging” them for the value killed and dropped. There’s no threat, no uncertainty, no risk. That’s just nonsense. The reason I don’t get ganked is because I make it not worth the _risk_ to do so. I flew through Isanamo 12 times yesterday, doing various things and transporting stuff, while Safety were there. I even parked in the station they were all in. They know my ships are fast and well tanked. Meanwhile they were ganking slow, poorly fitted ships or people with way too much useless bling. I regularly do 45 jump trips…and have done so for over 4 years, right through the heart of ganker territory, often with expensive cargo, without being ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/533 "2026-02-17T18:11:12Z")
> [@Rus\_Coder](#): > > Also it helps economy, if no one will burn ships/modules, there will be no need to build them. I don’t know why people keep acting like the only time ships go boom is during high sec suicide ganks. As if the rest of the game simply doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/534 "2026-02-17T18:13:53Z")
There is a type of person who wants to play a PvE grinding game, without any PvP whatsoever, and they want to do that in Highsec making quick easy AFK isk. This person enjoys creating new alts in order to file fictitious complaints, in an attempt to convince people ganking is harmful for ‘new’ players. ---
**Author:** ![Rus\_Coder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rus_coder/32/491456_2.png) [@Rus\_Coder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rus_Coder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2026, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/535 "2026-02-17T19:21:58Z")
[Recent Statistics - DOTLAN :: EveMaps](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats) who cares about tears of those who can only autopilot air tanked ship with nice loot. They think that PvP happens only outside of HighSec… until they face reality… some of them continue rejecting reality and forcing others that only thair pinky PvE pony exists… others knows about killboards and dotlan, so they know which systems has the most kills and those are not null sec. @Done25 looks like highsec pilots stuck in highsec and they think that nullsec is dangerous (looks like because they never lived there)… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=27)