# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/620 "2026-03-09T02:26:53Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Opinions should be based on evidence, rather than vibes In a rational World - yes. However, we are not living in a rational World. We are living in primarily emotional and subjective one. From global politics to everyday personal decisions - everything is based on personal perception. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/621 "2026-03-09T02:28:46Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > we are not living in a rational World. Wtf? You might not be rational, but the rest of us are… ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/622 "2026-03-09T02:32:22Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Wtf? > > You might not be rational, but the rest of us are… The very fact that video games exist at all is based on the fact that humans are not rational, that we prefer emotions and our perception of reality and priorities in life 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/623 "2026-03-09T02:32:51Z")
All I know is you openly admit to being irrational. That probably explains why everybody here is disagreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/624 "2026-03-09T02:34:06Z")
That’s your personal perception 🙂 I love when people confirm what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/625 "2026-03-09T02:36:05Z")
Ok, well I’m still ganking… ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/626 "2026-03-09T02:41:10Z")
Well I’m not stopping you 🙂 And yeah… if you still think that I have something against you or ganking, scroll through my posts and analyze them again. The only things I’m pointing out are that there is a different perception off ganking than yours and the potential consequences it produces on the player base. Just a different perspective to break the echo chamber and get out of survivorship bias. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/627 "2026-03-09T02:43:14Z")
I’m a survivor. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/628 "2026-03-09T05:22:30Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > Risk of failure of the gank. When the gank starts, the outcome is almost always predetermined. I’ve escaped gank attempts. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/629 "2026-03-09T05:27:27Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I’ve escaped gank attempts Me too. I’ve even hauled for Red Frog Freight for a while without a single loss. I’m just trying to clarify what others mean by “there is no risk“. No one sees CONCORD loss as a risk, they see it as already calculated in investment. ---
**Author:** ![Vladimir\_Norkoff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vladimir_norkoff/32/432331_2.png) [@Vladimir\_Norkoff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vladimir_Norkoff)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/630 "2026-03-09T06:13:01Z")
By your questionable logic, it is only “risk” if there is a chance of ship loss. Therefore, what you are arguing is that gankers should be able to escape Concord, and thus be able to incur “risk”. I’m not sure many hi-sec dwellers will support your premise, but I’m fairly confident that many gankers in this discussion will. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/631 "2026-03-09T06:20:22Z")
> [@Vladimir\_Norkoff](#): > > By your questionable logic, it is only “risk” if there is a chance of ship loss. Not exactly. The risk comes from the risk of not being able to achieve your intention/goal - the risk of a failed gank attempt. Ship loss to CONCORD is already guaranteed and calculated in before the gank, so that’s not a risk, that’s an investment. The risk is in failing to cash in that investment by failing to successfully execute a gank. And, like I said, it’s not my logic, it’s what others are trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2026, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/632 "2026-03-09T11:22:41Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > I’m just trying to clarify what others mean by “there is no risk“ You clarified that these views are irrational. I agree. > [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > , it’s not my logic, it’s what others are trying to say. A bit of life advice: say what you think and what you mean. It’s irrational to say things you don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![ImRustY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imrusty/32/487193_2.png) [@ImRustY](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ImRustY)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/633 "2026-03-12T00:29:18Z")
It’s not my place to manipulate market prices. Besides, gankers are making a fortune with their activities. They’re making kills you and I can only dream of. > **[Toxic Yaken | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/94471524/)** > > Toxic Yaken: 3,861 ships destroyed and 701 ships lost. Personally, I don’t think ganking (in high sec) should be allowed, because players need the enable to use save zones. Almost every online game has a place where you can’t attack, but well…not in EVE ONLINE. I’m responding here because I think ganking should be punished more severely. I also suggested that security standing could only be repaired twice a year. That seems much more reasonable to me than paying off CONCORD with tags every time. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/634 "2026-03-12T00:39:51Z")
> [@ImRustY](#): > > It’s not my place to manipulate market prices. Your choice. Don’t complain if you are unwilling to use the options the game offers you because… reasons… > [@ImRustY](#): > > They’re making kills you and I can only dream of. I don’t dream of making kills any more. I only support my group right now and wouldn’t even undock if they have something tackled they can kill without me. I absolutely couldn’t care less for juicy kills any more, I care for logistics, strategic concepts and internal organization schematics. One of the great things EVE offers beyond “flying around shooting with spaceships”. Because it’s a _mass multiplayer online game_. Not some solo grind title. Nonetheless I respect others professionalizing in killing stuff and being successful with it. So, every kill the gankers make is well earned. > [@ImRustY](#): > > Almost every online game has a place where you can’t attack, but well…not in EVE ONLINE. And that is why many players are here. If someone doesn’t like it, there are enough other games out there, as you rightly said. Chose one of these. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/635 "2026-03-12T01:02:15Z")
> [@ImRustY](#): > > They’re making kills you and I can only dream of. So it’s basically about jealousy for you? ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/636 "2026-03-12T03:41:04Z")
> [@ImRustY](#): > > I think ganking should be punished more severely what would you suggest as an appropriate level of punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Rus\_Coder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rus_coder/32/491456_2.png) [@Rus\_Coder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rus_Coder)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/637 "2026-03-12T07:06:06Z")
Maybe stop flying air tanked ships full of treasure? Stop paying permits. Make ganking not profitable? Nooooo… it is too complex… lets just complain… If you are unhappy when PvE ship lost to PvP, should we complain about PvP ships lost to PvE or nullsec PvE ships (like capitals) lost to PvP? Just wasted PvP tengu to NPC. But not crying, that was my mistake as a pilot who had to learn it this way. ---
**Author:** ![Rus\_Coder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rus_coder/32/491456_2.png) [@Rus\_Coder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rus_Coder)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/638 "2026-03-12T07:11:54Z")
BTW, if it is so easy, simple and not time consuming. Why not to join Ganking? Make infinite amount of wealth in no time and study how it works in reality (not in your head). Try it by your self instead of crying and complaining like a baby who is unhappy because they imagined that Mom will put spoon one cm left but she doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2026, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/639 "2026-03-12T12:06:24Z")
> [@Rus\_Coder](#): > > PvE ship lost to PvP See the thing is, this is EVE, there are no PvE ships. To be clearer you can fit a ship to do PvE things in EVE, but that doesn’t mean the PvP goes away, and thus you need to be better at the PvP, i.e. be aware of what’s going on around you and be prepared to avoid other players who will be fit specifically to destroy you. and that’s the best part about EVE. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=32)