# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/83 "2025-11-17T10:53:14Z")
> [@Otlichnick](#): > > This isn’t about “morals” or roleplay—it’s about game balance and mechanics. Nullsec: 1v1 solo PvP (like my kill you linked)—pilot skill, fit, intel, evasion all matter. Hauler had counterplay: scout, align fast, fight back, call blues. Risk for both of us. > > This is much different than One pilot multiboxing 20-100+ disposable Catalyst alts (~7-10m ISK each, insured) to alpha a freighter before CONCORD fully responds. No skill, no counterplay beyond “don’t undock” or tank to 1M+ EHP (unhauls). 1 account = blob strength with 0 risk. That’s the “magic” scam killing highsec hauling or even mission running. That’s just utter nonsense. In null you have all the time in the world to solo attack. You don’t have Concord arriving to blow up your ship after 20 seconds or less. In fact I’d argue it requires LESS ‘skill’ to solo kill something like a Venture in nullsec, with all the time in the world, than it does in a 0.8 system where you have to arrive and get within range and fire and kill…all within 10 seconds or less. Likewise the _only_ reason you can solo kill an Orca with an Ibis in nullsec is that infinite time element. It has nothing to do with ‘skill’. And the only reason people require multiple attack ships to do the same job in highsec is again that very short time window. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/84 "2025-11-17T11:02:21Z")
> [@Scoutin\_On\_Empty](#): > > Why would _anybody_ insure their ship? It isn’t worth it. It most certainly _is_…if you’ve got a good chance of losing your ship in a big battle within the next 12 weeks and you are likely to have multiple battles. Which can happen to even the most skilled pilots. I paid 18m ISK insurance on a 250m ISK ( total cost inc fittings ) ship, and got back 60m ISK from insurance. That’s a nice 42m ISK. Obviously, the lower the risk the less it is worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/85 "2025-11-17T11:05:39Z")
Flying like you have a brain in your head is all it takes to perfectly avoid gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/86 "2025-11-17T11:11:19Z")
because insurance doesn’t cover fittings, only covers the cost of the ship at the time of material cost.. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/87 "2025-11-17T12:22:32Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > all it takes to perfectly avoid gankers Or buying a `permit`. 🤔 😈 🍿 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoutin_on_empty/32/479066_2.png) [@Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoutin_On_Empty)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/88 "2025-11-17T13:52:53Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > That’s a nice 42m ISK. It isn’t, because you lost a 250M ship. That 42Misk doesn’t begin to compensate for that. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/89 "2025-11-17T14:07:52Z")
I never said it compensated for the entire ship. Its 42m you wouldn’t have if you hadn’t insured. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/90 "2025-11-17T14:07:58Z")
Insurance isn’t to compensate the full cost of a ship. You would’ve lost the ship either way. Insurance is just a bet on “will I lose the ship” which pays out if you lose it in time. Free profit if you win the bet, loss if you lose the bet. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/91 "2025-11-17T16:52:03Z")
Gankers should be allow to insure their ships. Same as everyone else. Why discriminate? ---
**Author:** ![Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoutin_on_empty/32/479066_2.png) [@Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoutin_On_Empty)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/92 "2025-11-17T17:04:53Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Insurance is just a bet on “will I lose the ship” which pays out if you lose it in time. > > Free profit if you win the bet, loss if you lose the bet I never saw it that way. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/93 "2025-11-17T17:35:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Gankers should be allow to insure their ships. > > Same as everyone else. > > Why discriminate? This is your lucky day Aiko: > [@Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/75): > > All gankers have an opportunity to insure their ships through Frostpacker before proceeding to go out ganking. Send isk to @Chad_Frostpacker for your insurance policy on each ship you want to insure. Evemail for more information about your policy! 🤔 😏 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/94 "2025-11-17T17:35:41Z")
If they fix ganking it will no longer distract people from realising how poor quality EVE Online is. At least with ganking being a thing players will never realise the game has other problems ---
**Author:** ![Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoutin_on_empty/32/479066_2.png) [@Scoutin\_On\_Empty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoutin_On_Empty)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/95 "2025-11-17T17:39:03Z")
Ah yes, the ol’ magician’s trick: ignore the broken game behind the curtain and watch the Catalyst explode. ---
**Author:** ![Kovlin\_Rhyse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kovlin_rhyse/32/510074_2.png) [@Kovlin\_Rhyse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kovlin_Rhyse)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/96 "2025-11-17T17:47:08Z")
You’re not wrong. In a game that boasts the risk vs. rewards concept, I’d expect them to have better consequences for these shenanigans. I believe if CCP would make it where those who regularly seek to get their lunch money back in ISK would be immediately a legal target, that would sow it down. The fact that the CONCORD would pop me if I destroy a known suicide ganker on sight tells me these bozos are in the CCP “good ole boy” program, and I suspect it - as unrealistic as the risk vs rewards is - makes CCP a lot of money somehow. You’re playing in a world where things are money motivated, both in game and on the product level. In the free market, when someone’s business ethics seem flawed, you can either stay with them and deal with it, or find a product you like better. Be honest though…MMOs coming out now. You think you’ll find a better place than New Eden to play. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/97 "2025-11-17T17:47:57Z")
> **[Retriever | Arsant Dunier | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/131295860/)** > > Arsant Dunier (Center for Advanced Studies) lost their Retriever in Ourapheh (Genesis). Final Blow by Mining Permit Agent (The Conference Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 79,979,144.31 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/98 "2025-11-17T18:38:20Z")
That Retriever, is that you? You’ve left the rigs open and the mid slots aren’t for tank. Here is his chosen fit, 20k EHP: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/f/c/8fc1427a02d3dd8436a6bc260e8a4597bae98b40.png) Killed by 3 Catalysts. Here is the same Retriever but with better choice of mods to get more than twice the hitpoints, 42k EHP: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/7/937b7b190c9c7f8a7a74f4b37fbec24b75366aa0.png) Should take an extra 3 Catalysts. Here is a similar fit but on a Procurer instead for almost five times the hitpoints of the destroyed Retriever, 98k EHP: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/7/a/57ab6ae805d2b8bf7dff2cfe882ed6d29fcb78fb.png) Now Catalysts will likely avoid you and attack your neighbour instead. Instead of making dumb fitting choices and blaming gankers, try to look at your fits and adjust them with the existence of gankers in mind. You only have to live until CONCORD arrives. Add some tank. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/99 "2025-11-17T18:58:48Z")
Some Miners know how to ‘ **Tank** the **GANK** ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/100 "2025-11-17T19:20:51Z")
> [@Kovlin\_Rhyse](#): > > The fact that the CONCORD would pop me if I destroy a known suicide ganker on sight tells me these bozos are in the CCP “good ole boy” program CONCORD is indifferent. To them, you’re just another player illegally destroying another player. Much like in real life, it doesn’t matter if the guy you just saw on the sidewalk is a known criminal, if you put a bullet in his head, the police will be along shortly to do the same to you…. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/101 "2025-11-17T19:24:19Z")
> [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > At least with ganking being a thing players will never realise the game has other problems Such as? This should be good….. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/102 "2025-11-17T19:38:20Z")
Strange how you whine about losing 65m worth to highsec gankers….yet you don’t whine about losing 900m to highsec NPCs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=6)