# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/103 "2025-11-17T19:41:37Z")
> [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > If they fix ganking it will no longer distract people from realising how poor quality EVE Online is. We have zero evidence you have ever undocked…let alone are qualified to comment on the quality of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/104 "2025-11-17T20:27:13Z")
That’s not a tank fit, you also need bulkheads in the lows. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/105 "2025-11-17T20:34:46Z")
Bulkheads are nice if you want EWAR mids. But if you truly want a tank fit you’ve got to go shield. Scales better with a Porpoise’s shield links too. 164k EHP Procurer. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/b/8/5b8979b55b588239233f86a3f0498f177fb0a1ec.png) But if you want to push that far it’s better not to drop too much loot. A T2 hull allows you to get even more EHP while dropping less to any gankers. 209k EHP Skiff: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/c/c/accb282b49f9ab0b5af8b3492015737e104dfeb8.png) And then people complain when their 20k EHP barge gets taken out. It really is a choice to fly a 20k EHP barge without paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/106 "2025-11-17T20:39:22Z")
> **[Retriever | Aderivel Odyne Severasse | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/131299577/)** > > Aderivel Odyne Severasse (Venomous Rebels Industries) lost their Retriever in Tolle (Everyshore). Final Blow by Mining assistant (Safety Logistics) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 68,354,140.05 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/107 "2025-11-17T20:40:16Z")
> [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > [Retriever | Aderivel Odyne Severasse | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/131299577/) Cargohold expanders? Really? Are you just posting shitfits now? I’m glad that Retriever got put out of it’s misery. That pilot opted for negative tank. Do they even know cargohold expanders don’t work for the ore hold? ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/108 "2025-11-17T20:45:27Z")
No, shield mids, EWAR drones, and DC+bulkhead lows is how you do a Procurer/Skiff fit that will survive a gank attempt. No miner ever sacrifices potential yield for tank. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/109 "2025-11-17T20:46:17Z")
As long as you call it high sec and enable PVP you are going to get complaints. Its like selling a heater that produces cold. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/110 "2025-11-17T20:52:39Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > No, shield mids, EWAR drones, and DC+bulkhead lows is how you do a Procurer/Skiff fit that will survive a gank attempt. No miner ever sacrifices potential yield for tank. You’re still getting more EHP out of a shield tank than a bulkhead tank even in a yield fit with two mining upgrades. And shield command bursts make the difference even bigger. > [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > As long as you call it high sec and enable PVP you are going to get complaints. Its like selling a heater that produces cold. Luckily not all complaints are equal. Some complaints are easily dismissed as “you must have wrongly interpreted ‘high’ security space as ‘perfect’ security space, sorry!”. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/111 "2025-11-17T20:58:12Z")
How is that working out? ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/112 "2025-11-17T21:03:04Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You’re still getting more EHP out of a shield tank than a bulkhead tank even in a yield fit with two mining upgrades. And shield command bursts make the difference even bigger. I’m not saying bulkheads instead of shields, I’m saying both. But now that I’ve thought about it, you should also replace one of the mining lasers with a remote shield repper, so you can spidertank your fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/113 "2025-11-17T21:05:04Z")
> [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > How is that working out? Works well against people who are willing to listen to reason! > [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > I’m not saying bulkheads instead of shields, I’m saying both. > > But now that I’ve thought about it, you should also replace one of the mining lasers with a remote shield repper, so you can spidertank your fleet. Try it in Pyfa! Shields works better than bulkheads. Those low slots serve you better for more powergrid to add another large shield extender than when you add bulkheads in those spots. That is, if you’re willing to give up yield for more tank. The main reason to use bulkheads on a Procurer is that you can still get a sizeable tank even when you dedicate your mid slots to EWAR like scram and web. This tank is lower than a shield tank though. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/114 "2025-11-17T21:06:49Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Try it in Pyfa! Shields works better than bulkheads. Those low slots serve you better for more powergrid to add another large shield extender than when you add bulkheads in those spots. That is, if you’re willing to give up yield for more tank. Okay, now I get you. That sounds correct. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/115 "2025-11-17T21:09:29Z")
Calling it high sec and enabling pvp is like selling a heater that produces cold ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/116 "2025-11-17T21:17:05Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > No miner ever sacrifices potential yield for tank. Sure they do. They’re the ones not getting ganked. 😁 > [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > Calling it high sec and enabling pvp is like selling a heater that produces cold Even AI disagrees with you. ![Screenshot 2025-11-17 141623](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/3/1/b31a1223369e2b3a3d7a02f224555d328eb6111f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/117 "2025-11-17T21:20:57Z")
> **[Retriever | Cat Sky | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/131300765/)** > > Cat Sky (Science and Trade Institute) lost their Retriever in Itamo (The Forge). Final Blow by Dagon Madeveda (Merdur Masheen) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 132,707,504.01 ISK ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/118 "2025-11-17T21:36:50Z")
High sec is not safe. Never has been, never will be. If you want safe high sec, go play Echoes, and you too can enjoy expedition frigates costing 1 billion ISK because you can gather and sell an infinite amount of resources in high sec with no fear of losing your ship. In other words, inflation that would make Zimbabwe look tame in comparison…. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/119 "2025-11-17T21:37:31Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Try it in Pyfa! Okay, so now that I’m home and at my computer, I gave it a go. ![Screenshot_20251117_213244](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/0/0f02dc1785ececdcd7ab18eb49097046b63a6518.png) Looks like bulkheads is still the way to go. 108k EHP and you’ll need a PG implant, but since you’re a Code-compliant miner, you’ll be at your keyboard and ready to save that pod. The ORE bulkheads aren’t strictly mandatory, but it’s the least you can do for your ganker after they go through the hassle of bringing 98k worth of EM damage. Shield commands probably would raise that EHP substantially, but I can’t be arsed to make an orca fit also just to test this nonsense with boosts. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/120 "2025-11-17T21:39:01Z")
Or just drag mine and insta-warp before they can even land on grid. 100% yield, no tank required…. ---
**Author:** ![wolfstallion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfstallion/32/418559_2.png) [@wolfstallion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/wolfstallion)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/121 "2025-11-17T22:43:41Z")
I see it as a non issue. You’re either 1. To lazy to break your hauling ops up into pieces that make it not worth killing you. 2 your flying a very blingy yet poorly fitted ship. There still after profit at the end of the day and yes sometimes they will just do it for fun but if your dumb enough to get caught then that a skill issue not a game issue. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/122 "2025-11-17T22:46:53Z")
You don’t need to have the most EHP, you just need to have more than most others. It’s like surviving a chasing bear while in a group: you don’t need to run the fastest, just don’t be the slowest. If you fly a procurer with a decent amount of tank, even with 2 mining upgrades, and you keep it cheap/T2 you’re simply not a logical target. But if you fit fancy nonsense like Ore bulkheads you can be SURE you’re a target. Assuming fleet mining this works just fine. Costs pretty much nothing, drops pretty much nothing, way too much ehp for gankers to care. And you still run 2 mining upgrades. [Procurer, Procurer fit] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Shield Extender II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=7)