# Suicide ganking is way too low risk, change my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 1, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497 "2025-10-01T01:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/163 "2025-11-23T15:25:04Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > haven’t noticed who this one is supposed to be It’s the guy who makes a new account ever 4-6 months in order to spam us with ‘reasonable conversations’ about ganking, which are now composed by ChatGPT. It’s the same guy, he never left, he’s right there. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/164 "2025-11-23T19:49:45Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > If the only advice we can reasonably give newer or casual players is: > > - “Don’t fly this.” > - “Don’t haul that.” > - “Don’t AFK ever.” > - “Don’t undock unless you’re perfectly alert.” > > …then that’s not risk management, that’s **avoidance**. And when _avoidance_ becomes the standard gameplay loop in high-sec, something is out of tune. They also tell you not to pick up bits of metal that are glowing hot in real life, but you don’t argue that advice, do you? The easiest way to mitigate a risk is to avoid it altogether. I have zero risk of drowning in a boating accident by not going on boats. ---
**Author:** ![wolfstallion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfstallion/32/516233_2.png) [@wolfstallion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/wolfstallion)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/165 "2025-11-23T21:20:33Z")
Suicide ganking is good for the game since it destroys ships, modules and loot it keeps prices up. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/166 "2025-11-24T00:52:14Z")
The brutal fact that gankers keep the ship manufacturing and mining going by attacking the same ships they need to gank with is rather counter-productive and probably causes inflation somewhere along the line. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/167 "2025-11-24T01:06:47Z")
If gankers didn’t periodically cull the hulk population, minerals would flood the market and value would drop precipitously. Miners, remember to thank gankers for their service in local. And if gankers didn’t periodically cull the mission runner population, marauders and gilas would dropp in value and wouldn’t be worth producing, disincentivising miners from playing. Mission runners, remember to thank gankers for their service in local. Anyway no, ganking has no measurable impact on the economy, even though even a failed gank at least results in a dozen dead destroyers. There just aren’t anywhere near enough gankers active. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/168 "2025-11-24T01:21:23Z")
That is why the economy in Echoes is so screwed up. There is no ganking in high sec, minimal pvp in low, there aren’t even any belt rats to attack you. A 100% safe Farmville in space. As a result, mined ores and minerals are all but worthless… ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/169 "2025-11-24T01:25:35Z")
> [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > If gankers didn’t periodically cull the hulk population, minerals would flood the market and value would drop precipitously. > [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > And if gankers didn’t periodically cull the mission runner population, marauders and gilas would dropp in value and wouldn’t be worth producing, disincentivising miners from playing. > [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](#): > > Anyway no, ganking has no measurable impact on the economy… So let me get this straight. Gankers are simultaneously the heroic guardians of the economy _and_ so irrelevant they don’t move a single market graph? That’s impressive. Most people need two separate posts to contradict themselves, but you managed to speedrun it in one. Either ganking is essential to keep the universe from collapsing or it’s too tiny to measure. You can’t claim gankers are the economic janitors of New Eden and then say they don’t actually clean anything. Pick a lane, buddy. Even a Catalyst suicide crew commits harder than this argument. ---
**Author:** ![Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synthetic_infomorph/32/489149_2.png) [@Synthetic\_Infomorph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synthetic_Infomorph)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/170 "2025-11-24T01:45:23Z")
Woosh. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2025, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/171 "2025-11-24T04:39:36Z")
You can tell it’s ChatGPT cuz it says such cringe. ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/172 "2025-11-25T18:57:36Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > cuz it says such cringe Pot, meet Kettle… ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/173 "2025-11-26T00:07:15Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > So let me get this straight. Gankers are simultaneously the heroic guardians of the economy _and_ so irrelevant they don’t move a single market graph? That’s right. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Thank you for your mining service. With heroic regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/174 "2025-11-26T00:28:39Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > War is peace. If you say so aikio. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/175 "2025-11-26T01:00:17Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > If you say so aikio. Sometimes you can come off as a habitual liar! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/176 "2025-11-26T06:42:50Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > > > War is peace. > > If you say so aikio For 1 billion ISK I can blow you a kiss. Also it’s **Aiko** , not “aikio”. With sensual regards -Aiko Danuja ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/177 "2025-11-26T08:51:26Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > For 1 billion ISK I can blow you a kiss. `Disclaimer: it is 10 bil ISK for any element of the Frostpacker entity.` 🤔 😈 🍿 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/178 "2025-11-26T13:04:26Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > habitual liar! > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > With sensual regards > -Aiko Danuja Who’s the “habitual liar”? ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/179 "2025-11-26T15:25:57Z")
High sec suicide ganking in and of itself is fine, even good, as a possibility. The issues that plague it are thus: 1. The rise of multi-boxing drastically lowers the time to kill for a target. (N+1 until they die faster than CONCORD arrives, and then have an alt scoop the loot.) 2. Clone Soldier tag resets remove all long term penalty for repeated bad behavior at dirt cheap prices. Nothing can be done about issue #1, but the Clone Soldier tag mechanic should be removed, and they are converted to NPC buy order turn ins only. I also think CONCORD pulling should simply be removed, but that’s more of a secondary thing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/180 "2025-11-26T16:13:07Z")
I’m just gonna take a wild guess here, but after 20 years of Highsec PvP, I think maybe (just maybe) CCP doesn’t agree with you. Have you tried a more carebearish game? I heard Candy Crush 3 is featuring a new boomer safety zone. Also, in Fortnite, before the round starts there is a 30 second Highsec zone for carebears to run around pretending to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/181 "2025-11-26T17:02:55Z")
It’s a little difficult to take your response without a huge grain of salt given who you are. I did also say that I think the ability to suicide gank is a good thing. But I also think actions should have consequences for both sides. Pirates are free to yar har har in Low/Null/WH, but High Sec needs to have a certain level of minimum overall civility for the game’s health. At least in my lowly opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497/182 "2025-11-26T17:08:08Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > I did also say that I think the ability to suicide gank is a good thing. Yes, as a subject matter expert, I’ve heard many times the popular carebear mantra that “Ganking is part of EvE and I’m not opposed to ganking, BUT…” The fact of the matter is that CCP obviously thinks ganking is balanced as is. I would suggest if you think otherwise, you probably don’t know what you are talking about. I’ll give you credit for undocking, but it looks like you don’t live in Highsec, so you should probably stick to subjects you know something about. When we want feedback on nullblobs, we will invite you to the discussion. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-ganking-is-way-too-low-risk-change-my-mind/498497.md?page=10)