# Suicide in highsec, senseless and merciless **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [April 26, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409 "2025-04-26T16:17:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/205 "2025-05-01T02:32:46Z")
The game allows a certain number of players like you. If there are too many of you, it will kill the game economy. Will the creators mine ore again? Why would they if the game is unfriendly to them? I’m simply suggesting that you do your destruction in designated places. And now you do it everywhere, which is completely unjustified economically. Not to mention the ethical component. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/206 "2025-05-01T02:34:51Z")
Gankers kill miners so that they (gankers) can mine and put their stuff on the market. Its all a challenge to both sides ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/207 "2025-05-01T02:39:12Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > If there are too many of you, it will kill the game economy. Will it though? Sure prices will go up, but then more people will mine as it becomes more profitable. Let’s say you are right though, how much ganking is too much? It’s certainly not too much right now, and hasn’t been too much in all of EVE’s history. If The Forge is too dangerous, mine in Kor-Azor or Khanid. We know what happens when safe spaces are created, it’s BAD for the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/208 "2025-05-01T02:39:41Z")
If a ganker mines, he won’t have time to gank. So, there needs to be a game balance between gankers and miners, right? Also, miners are currently upset with gankers because they are being followed everywhere. I suggest keeping wolves in specially designated pens. Such as lowsec and nullsec. Otherwise, people will have less and less incentive to create in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/209 "2025-05-01T11:21:34Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > Humanity survived precisely because of ethical standards. Excuse me? This couldn’t be more wrong. There are some countries surviving at the expense of others. There are some very dark leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/210 "2025-05-01T11:31:51Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > If a ganker mines, he won’t have time to gank. So, there needs to be a game balance between gankers and miners, right? Also, miners are currently upset with gankers because they are being followed everywhere. I suggest keeping wolves in specially designated pens. Such as lowsec and nullsec. Otherwise, people will have less and less incentive to create in the game. This rules applies to Eve Echoes and it didn’t age well. Eve Echoes is too safe it became so boring. Scamming is also banned there. You can mine rocks in Uedema all day if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/212 "2025-05-01T12:43:35Z")
Many people have told me about this game. I haven’t played it because I don’t like mobile games too much. My eyesight suffers from it. But, overall, I approve of this approach. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/213 "2025-05-01T12:46:23Z")
I don’t really understand what you’re talking about. I was talking about humanity in general. If you want to discuss politics, this is not the place. Yesterday, three of my completely harmless posts were hidden here. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/216 "2025-05-01T15:42:37Z")
I have not spoken of prosperity, but only of survival. I have said nothing about individual countries, but only about humanity as a whole. I have nowhere spoken of good feelings, but only of ethical standards. Are you trying to catch me out on the subtleties of a language I do not speak? This is a bad way to conduct a discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/217 "2025-05-01T15:52:48Z")
stop comparing to what people do in a RPG with real life. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/218 "2025-05-01T15:54:53Z")
Thanks for the reply, but I have already answered this question in detail. Next question. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/219 "2025-05-01T16:06:40Z")
Ethical standards can be very different from what you call “good feelings”. It is simply a certain set of rules accepted in society. To be more precise, it is a certain set of rules that exists in the head of each person. This set of rules can be very different from the rules accepted in society. In other words, each person can have his own ethics. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/221 "2025-05-01T16:15:44Z")
Please quote where I spoke about good feelings and prosperity? You started talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Drammie\_Askold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drammie_askold/32/380085_2.png) [@Drammie\_Askold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drammie_Askold)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/222 "2025-05-01T16:40:08Z")
The ethos of EvE can be stated very simply: Might makes right, to the victor the spoils, woe to the defeated. Or put another way: Undocking gives permission for PvP, don’t fly anything you aren’t prepared to lose. This has been hard wired into EvE from day 1. To change it would change EvE which has been going for 22 years. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/223 "2025-05-01T16:44:39Z")
This does not work in human society. Players, who do this, exist only due to the patience of other players. In a developed society, such phenomena are completely eradicated. EVE is a model of human society in miniature. It has an economy, that is created by the players themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/224 "2025-05-01T17:04:22Z")
If this were a real society, the first thing people would do would be to remove all the pirates from Jita. And they would do it preventively. Concord is not a police force that works well. It acts situationally, reacting only to the fact of a crime, but does not prevent offenses. This prevents most players from playing. If there were more pirates than producers, the game’s economy would be destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/226 "2025-05-01T17:16:17Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Humanity has not thrived under good feelings and actions. Not as a whole. Specific parts, yes. It was your claim. It wasn’t mine. Here is your quote. If you find my quote before this post, please show it. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/228 "2025-05-01T17:20:06Z")
I’m still waiting for my quote. So who started talking about this first? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/231 "2025-05-01T17:21:51Z")
I will not answer you until you present my quote and answer for your words. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/233 "2025-05-01T17:25:01Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I said nothing about good feelings. I said nothing about prosperity. My original post only applied to survival and ethical standards and it was about humanity as a whole. You keep trying to turn it into something that it’s not. Why? For these words. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409.md?page=12)