# Suicide in highsec, senseless and merciless **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [April 26, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409 "2025-04-26T16:17:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/81 "2025-04-27T16:04:15Z")
I don’t think you’re right. I can only speak for myself here, but I’ve been told by very experienced players that the lowsec population specializes in killing newbies. Since I don’t have statistics, I can’t confirm this. However, common sense tells me that newbies get killed much more often than experienced players. This has always been the case in any MMO, not just EVE. I don’t care why you tell lies without providing any solid evidence. I think I’m done discussing this with you. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/82 "2025-04-27T16:07:58Z")
Looks like we have another Bakster… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/83 "2025-04-27T16:59:29Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > However, common sense tells me that newbies get killed much more often than experienced players. This would not be a surprise. After all, it’s likely that the players with the least experience get caught most often until they too learn how to stay alive. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, every player goes through that and loses a couple of ships while learning! > [@QuakeGod](#): > > Looks like we have another Bakster… Naah, even though I don’t agree with Paul I find him much more pleasant to talk with than Bakster. Bakster doesn’t listen. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/84 "2025-04-27T17:00:44Z")
Can we just agree of not commenting next thread that wants to remove highsec ganking at all? You all are just feeding the troll. This \*\*\*\* is discussed pretty much every week. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/85 "2025-04-27T17:11:17Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > but I’ve been told by very experienced players that the lowsec population specializes in killing newbies. having lived and flown in lowsec for the bulk of my time in EVE I can assure you that most lowsec denizens will gleefully attempt to kill pretty much anything they can land tackle on. in any case, in this age of Space Crack™ (aka: skill injectors) it’s impossible to tell if a target is a genuine newbro or the alt of some 15+ year veteran until you see their fit on zkill. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/86 "2025-04-27T17:23:33Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > I don’t think you’re right > [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > I don’t have statistics > [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > I can’t confirm this > [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > I don’t care Like I said, another Bakster… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/87 "2025-04-27T17:25:27Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > lowsec denizens will gleefully attempt to kill pretty much anything they can land tackle on. Low sec is for players who can’t hack it in null, and don’t want to lose their ship to Concord in high… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/88 "2025-04-27T17:37:15Z")
I’ll just start replying to such threads as this using only memes of trains or dumpsters on fire… ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/89 "2025-04-27T19:06:50Z")
![8272bedd-c232-4100-a7dd-89b9ed580f28](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/4/1b4c0bf5943a37e15dad975df1d31d5617910cf0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/90 "2025-04-27T22:51:08Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > No, the game is so unsafe and unfriendly that new players don’t stick around. It’s impossible to play with constant tension. I don’t get it. You claim to be playing EVE for/since 14 years and yet do not know about the most basic statement what EVE is about? “EVE is a dark and harsh world, you’re supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you’re not supposed to feel like you’re logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that’s what hello kitty online is for.” CCP Wrangler And your unacceptance of multiboxing and relating it to botting means you don’t know or accept the EULA. It is questionable how long you will survive when not knowing or going against the EULA. CCP is even having special multibox sales and discounts for those users. Finally, as already explained above, without loss there is no market. The market is almost completely player driven. For a ship to be buyable, someone has had to build it. All industry is also PVP in an online game. You might want to crossread an example here: [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/terahertz-metamaterials-gone/484285](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/terahertz-metamaterials-gone/484285) So asking for a non-PVP mode would imply prohibiting to interact with the market. At all. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/91 "2025-04-27T23:24:37Z")
You are touching on a topic that I did not want to discuss here. But if you insist, then go ahead. Please tell me, do you have moral principles in life? If so, do you consider it necessary to follow them in the game? That is the real question. And the questions you ask are not serious. Yes, I know what EVE is, and yes, I know what the EULA is, and I adhere to it. I do not consider the market a type of PvP, it is a substitution of concepts. If you still have questions, I will be glad to answer them. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/92 "2025-04-27T23:29:06Z")
> [@Paul\_Keres](#): > > market a type of PvP except it is, as industrial players are competing against others for YOU to buy their ships or mods. RL morals have nothing to do with EVE.. EVE was designed so you could be the biggest piece of \*\*\*\* and in RL be the biggest cuddlebug there is. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/93 "2025-04-27T23:43:28Z")
Let’s say you have a principle - never betray your comrades. Will you be able to ambush and kill a comrade in the game? Or offend the weak, if you have a principle not to offend the weak? The answer to this question is really important. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/94 "2025-04-27T23:47:05Z")
Yes because, unlike you, I can differentiate between reality and video games. If you can’t, then you have serious issues… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/95 "2025-04-27T23:48:49Z")
In real life, I’d give anyone the shirt off my back. In video games, I’m going to drown your dog in an Arby’s public bathroom toilet… ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/96 "2025-04-28T07:39:54Z")
Nobody cares what you are like in real life. You are known here by the game. Human relations are human relations everywhere. If you offend a person in the game, he will not talk to you in real life. If you think that in a game you can do whatever you want with people, then it means that your morals and psyche have been deformed because of the game. Then the question arises: are such games really necessary? If you constantly play the role of a piece of ■■■■, you gradually become one. This is called professional deformation. These changes are already too noticeable in you, the smell is very strong. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/97 "2025-04-28T09:51:18Z")
yeah you need to seek professional help for these delusions of yours ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/98 "2025-04-28T10:10:41Z")
Your problem is that you have no idea about ethical standards, how and where they are applied. And it is also quite obvious to me that you are poorly brought up. It should be noted that these things are interconnected. You also have problems with logical thinking, since your statements are impulsive and not logically substantiated. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/99 "2025-04-28T10:22:25Z")
EVE is a game. Shooting and looting someone’s spaceship in a spaceship-shooting game is about as unethical as taking someone’s piece in chess; it’s part of what you sign up for when you start the game. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Keres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_keres/32/458648_2.png) [@Paul\_Keres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Keres)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409/100 "2025-04-28T10:30:58Z")
This is not a fair comparison, since you are not playing with figures, but with real people. By the way, even in chess you can give in to your friend so as not to offend him. But losing one chess game is a trifle. Here you can lose real money invested and months of time spent. In addition, in chess it is impossible to attack from an ambush. The opponents sit opposite each other, their strengths are approximately equal. There is nothing more honest than a game of chess, it is impossible to cheat there. A clever attempt, but no, it does not work that way. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suicide-in-highsec-senseless-and-merciless/484409.md?page=6)