# "Sundsele Six" Missing - A call for Support and Justice **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 1, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616 "2019-08-01T14:32:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/41 "2019-08-05T17:25:23Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > Miss Arrendis’s sentiments in precluding one of being of the Federation purely by race. Again, I said nothing of the sort. _You_ were the one who insisted we were independents, and so divorced from our nations of origin. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/42 "2019-08-05T17:25:53Z")
Seems the Sebiestor penchant for rummaging through other people’s trash for something salavageable runs strong in a few of you. Claim ownership of her if you can. Would simplify a fair few things on our end. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/43 "2019-08-05T17:26:24Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > something salavagble 'splains why none of us want you, huh? I mean, can’t even spell salvageable. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/44 "2019-08-05T17:29:30Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Seems the Sebiestor penchant for rummaging through other people’s trash for something salavagble runs strong Well we already know what’s in our own trash. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/45 "2019-08-05T17:46:17Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > Amarr loyal, Amarrian faith-following Minmatar are absolutely on the wrong side of the line. Would it really be wrong side of the line, considering their merits, how lawful they are, how loyal they are? I find most of them polite, respectful, intelligent people. Majority of Republican Minmatars I’ve dealt with (with rare exception of people whom I respect - they probably know who they are and I hope they won’t be offended at what I will say next) are just walking nuisances. I want to groan, grab myself by hair, or even slap them all over their face with a fish. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/46 "2019-08-05T17:48:44Z")
Amarr loyal, Amarrian faith-following Minmatar are the same thing as Caldari who are loyal to and support the Federation. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/47 "2019-08-05T18:24:58Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > Miss Arrendis’s sentiments in precluding one of being of the Federation purely by race Pretty sure that’s not what she thinks. > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > And how do you determine who “good people” are among the foreigners, Miss Rhiannon? Same as you make such judgments for anyone? > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Claim ownership of her if you can. We don’t own people. That’s your line of work. ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_Amadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_amadi/32/146326_2.png) [@Aurora\_Amadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Amadi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/48 "2019-08-05T18:34:50Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > > > Miss Arrendis’s sentiments in precluding one of being of the Federation purely by race > > Pretty sure that’s not what she thinks. Hrmm… > [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > > > Miss Arrendis’s sentiments in precluding one of being of the Federation purely by race. > > Again, I said nothing of the sort. _You_ were the one who insisted we were independents, and so divorced from our nations of origin. Mmm…? > [@Arrendis](#): > > See, this is kinda my point. You guys _from_ the Fed… you’re from the Fed. You leave, you go elsewhere, you’re ‘independent’ and consider yourselves apart of the from the Fed. Baby’s first gas-lighting, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/49 "2019-08-05T18:41:10Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > Baby’s first gas-lighting, perhaps? > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > I appreciate the insight of the Matari, but given your affiliations are as independent as mine, I don’t know that you are any more qualified to weigh in than I am. Let’s not leave _that_ statement off, when quoting my response to it. **You** were the one making the point that we’re ‘independent’ capsuleers, and so not qualified to speak about _our own people_. You. Not me. So don’t go trying to claim _I’m_ gas-lighting here when I refuse to let you try to twist my statement into some kind of assertion on its own, and not a direct response to you trying to make me out to be somehow no longer able to speak as a Matari, just because I live outside of the Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_Amadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_amadi/32/146326_2.png) [@Aurora\_Amadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Amadi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/50 "2019-08-05T18:47:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > > > Baby’s first gas-lighting, perhaps? > > > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > > > I appreciate the insight of the Matari, but given your affiliations are as independent as mine, I don’t know that you are any more qualified to weigh in than I am. > > Let’s not leave _that_ statement off, when quoting my response to it. **You** were the one making the point that we’re ‘independent’ capsuleers, and so not qualified to speak about _our own people_. You. Not me. So don’t go trying to claim _I’m_ gas-lighting here when I refuse to let you try to twist my statement into some kind of assertion on its own, and not a direct response to you trying to make me out to be somehow no longer able to speak as a Matari, just because I live outside of the Republic. Were you offended so by my lack of knowledge with Matari custom…? Nevertheless, thank you, Miss Arrendis… or Miss Rhiannon? I’m unclear who to attribute this crash course in culture. I’ve learned a lot today. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/51 "2019-08-05T18:52:12Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > Were you offended so by my lack of knowledge with Matari custom Was I offended by an outsider’s presumption to dictate to me whether or not I should be allowed to speak about our normal response to outsider interference? Think about that for a moment. You, an outsider, claim that you couldn’t _possibly_ do _worse_ than the Matari have at managing their own affairs. When a Matari says that based on that one fact alone: that you’re an outsider, you obviously could, what happens? You, an outsider, then tell them that _you are as fit a judge of our reactions as one of us is_. And you wonder at my being offended? Really? If you want to ask questions about our cultures and our ways, please, feel free to ask. If there’s something we don’t talk about, we’ll say that. Otherwise, we’ll probably answer. But when it comes time to weigh in on how much better you think you could do at managing _our_ affairs? Butt out. ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_Amadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_amadi/32/146326_2.png) [@Aurora\_Amadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Amadi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/52 "2019-08-05T18:59:50Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > > > Were you offended so by my lack of knowledge with Matari custom > > Was I offended by an outsider’s presumption to dictate to me whether or not I should be allowed to speak about our normal response to outsider interference? > > Think about that for a moment. > You, an outsider, claim that you couldn’t _possibly_ do _worse_ than the Matari have at managing their own affairs. When a Matari says that based on that one fact alone: that you’re an outsider, you obviously could, what happens? > > You, an outsider, then tell them that _you are as fit a judge of our reactions as one of us is_. > > And you wonder at my being offended? Really? > > If you want to ask questions about our cultures and our ways, please, feel free to ask. If there’s something we don’t talk about, we’ll say that. Otherwise, we’ll probably answer. But when it comes time to weigh in on how much better you think you could do at managing _our_ affairs? Butt out. That’s a great many words for “yes”… Not all cultures have such… Inclinations toward blood, Miss Arrendis. From an outsider’s view, in combination with the insinuations made by Miss Kalaratiri - well, I expected no harm could have come from such a pedestrian, even cliche remark. I’d ask you to excuse the presumption, but I don’t think you would. Have a good day. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/53 "2019-08-05T19:00:53Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > I’d ask you to excuse the presumption, but I don’t think you would. You never know. An actual apology gets much better results than snide insults. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/54 "2019-08-05T19:02:42Z")
If anyone ever asks why Minmatar in the Fed feel they have it rough, they should be shown this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_Amadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_amadi/32/146326_2.png) [@Aurora\_Amadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Amadi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/55 "2019-08-05T19:10:21Z")
Snide insults? My, I do have a lot to learn about Matari perceptions of outsiders… Merely questions, Miss Arrendis, I assure you. Would you offer the same respect if I did apologize? Surely you can forgive the ignorance… ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/56 "2019-08-05T19:11:33Z")
Yeah. As thukkin’ stoned into Abyss as I may be, this attitude is why I still bet on the Minnies in the coming Blood Age. (Yup, they hate me - the egger celebs, not their government, I’m still +8 to the Republic lol - but it’s sort of really irrelevant now) The Chaos is built in within us. This “healthy nationalism” is a measure to control the chaos. Our traditions, our society, our soul is made to channel our inner power, the chaos, and attempt to convert it into order, sort of like a power generator works, to produce something that vaguely resembles a “civilized society” from a Mary or Fed point of view. …Sorry, I’m really wasted, but I just couldn’t resist telling the truth. You lil’ Sebbie Sisters may hate me, but I’d still bet on red in the four colors of New Eden. The Minmatar are made to survive through utilizing chaos to their benefit. And they will. ---
**Author:** ![Aurora\_Amadi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aurora_amadi/32/146326_2.png) [@Aurora\_Amadi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aurora_Amadi)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/57 "2019-08-05T19:13:14Z")
Beautifully worded, Miss Blackwind. I’ve gleaned more from that poetry than I have the past hour. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/58 "2019-08-05T19:16:51Z")
> [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > Beautifully worded, Miss Blackwind. I’ve gleaned more from that poetry than I have the past hour. I’m an outcast Sani Sabik, ms. Amadi. I literally bleed poetry, when it isn’t Thukker whiskey or Drop. hehehehe ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/59 "2019-08-05T19:17:08Z")
Offer what respect? I haven’t claimed to know your ways better than you have. I haven’t claimed to be able to deal with your people better than you can. I’ve only accepted _what you have said_ about your position with relation to your people. Nothing more. I’ve answered your questions. I’ve given you direct, honest answers. I haven’t accused you of xenophobia, I haven’t accused you of gaslighting. At most, I’ve said the Federation wants everyone to do things their way… which they do, demonstrably. They think everyone should adopt democratic principles and the notion of undeniable basic human rights. Is saying that about the Federation an insult? What other ‘insult’ have I offered? And for the record, yes… > [@Aurora\_Amadi](#): > > I’d ask you to excuse the presumption, but I don’t think you would. is pretty snide. It’s a direct implication that you believe that even if you copped to an honest misunderstanding and offered a sincere apology, I’d be too stubborn and too much of a ■■■■■ to accept that apology and let it go at that. Edit: Yeah, go on, Aldrith. Stick your nose into a discussion about foreigners telling Minmatar they can manage Matari affairs better. I’m sure that that coming from an _Amarr_ will do you just a world of good, won’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616/60 "2019-08-05T19:22:57Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > We don’t own people. That’s your line of work. It is not mine either, actually, especially in her case. You should stop acting like it’s yours, however. She doesn’t want your gentle embrace. She wants your submission to her God. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sundsele-six-missing-a-call-for-support-and-justice/179616.md?page=4)