# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Gabi\_Bicoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gabi_bicoo/32/186480_2.png) [@Gabi\_Bicoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gabi_Bicoo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/687 "2020-04-07T17:36:00Z")
The additional Heavy fighter Tube on Supers will be a 6th Tube, or only the Heavy fighter Squadron limit will be +1 (4) instead of 3? ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/688 "2020-04-07T17:38:07Z")
lol … ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/689 "2020-04-07T17:38:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > During a time when everyone is forced to stay home, sure. That doesn’t change the overall downward trend and CCPs own admission that retention is a problem. Do you have any idea how long people have cited this as a reason to turn EVE into a care bear game? Just because one market is bigger than another doesn’t mean it is smart for a company to abandon it’s core competency for a different market. In fact switching markets is generally considered to me a major business error. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_BuHoBHy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jay_buhobhy/32/277006_2.png) [@Jay\_BuHoBHy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jay_BuHoBHy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/690 "2020-04-07T17:38:24Z")
**You ruined that game CCP! So the only logical to fix it and get more subscribers is to restore the game backup from 2013!** ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/691 "2020-04-07T17:38:32Z")
> [@CCP\_Rattati](#): > > We are aware of the potential for increase in ganking and will take measures. We are already mapping out our options. You could have avoided a lot of the negative posts if you had said that in the blog. Putting it 300 posts into the threadnaught kind of makes it look like a “oh heck we should say something on this” response. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/693 "2020-04-07T17:40:54Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > ‘this one thing happened and that’s why’ It wasn’t “one thing”, it was many. Why are you saying it was “one thing”? > [@Arrendis](#): > > _all the goddamned competition for peoples’ time_ . Not for a nieche product like EVE. You’re correct when you look at mainstreamers playing mainstream games. Then that’s hard. When you look at EVE players though, it’s not. When you’re the only one providing a specific product for a specific audience, which CCP does, then that audience is going to come. We’ve been reaching 40.000 players this saturday (sunday?) … … and lots of people are in “quarantine”. Those people aren’t playing any different game. Those people are playing the game that’s heading back to where it belongs. More people will come, because EVE’s once again going to be the only product that actually gives them what they want: A proper, actual openworld full loot sandbox PvP game. **The only game worthy of being called an MMO.** Your post hints at you seeing people as victims. This is mostly true for many, but doesn’t change that there are many who aren’t. There are many who are smart, self responsible and self reliable. The mass market is no good audience. Too much competition, too stupid people. Literally. Mass market games always aim at those they can milk the easiest within their specific demographic. Smart people also tend to spend less money than … lesser smart people. You’re not completely wrong, but your perspective on people is … sad. There is actually also potentially no need for an NPE. CCP should not hold someones hand. They should not play nanny. Hundreds of thousands of people did not require that for a whole decade. When CCP taking new players out of the hands of the older players things started going to shits. What they definitely _don’t_ need is yet another NPE as they had before. What they definitely _do_ need is for older players to take care of the newer ones again, but defintiely NOT in the form of the current “new player friendly corps” which are mostly _■■■■_. > [@Arrendis](#): > > dumb Your post starts with something dumb … _(“one thing”)_ … and ends with something dumb. _(“everything will magically revert”)_ That’s not how things work either way … … and you believing that that’s how I think isn’t my problem. You believing that the game needs an NPE … … when it really doesn’t … … but the opposite, actually … … hints me at you not understanding how people work. _(in that context, at least)_ I don’t blame you for that. You live in a bubble, most likely surrounded mostly by idiots. In any case … you’re no competition. Thank you for the good post. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scion\_Lex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scion_lex/32/505179_2.png) [@Scion\_Lex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scion_Lex)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/695 "2020-04-07T17:43:14Z")
My legit question is; what are non-Null PVE’ers supposed to do here? Incursions already have to run 90% resist to be consistently successful. Trig content demands 90% resists as well. Is there some kind of plan here or are we just supposed to take more losses and suck it up? Redesign our doctrines and demand more from players in order to participate? I respect that change is needed, but this feels poorly executed as it stands. I look forward to being wrong, but until the numbers are clear we have reason to be concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Verdis\_deMosays](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verdis_demosays/32/391335_2.png) [@Verdis\_deMosays](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verdis_deMosays)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/700 "2020-04-07T17:45:39Z")
I’d rather do my weekly Necronimocon reading. Makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Shuro\_Chi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shuro_chi/32/394346_2.png) [@Shuro\_Chi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shuro_Chi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/701 "2020-04-07T17:45:57Z")
Got yourself on a pretty high pedestal there huh? ---
**Author:** ![Angelo\_Schilling](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angelo_schilling/32/196422_2.png) [@Angelo\_Schilling](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angelo_Schilling)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/702 "2020-04-07T17:46:51Z")
Dreads and carriers apply dmg effectively to both subcaps and caps. Supers apply effectively to caps only. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Jenna\_Corinth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenna_corinth/32/391033_2.png) [@Jenna\_Corinth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenna_Corinth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/704 "2020-04-07T17:47:36Z")
Funny ha-ha I take it? ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/705 "2020-04-07T17:47:40Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Just because one market is bigger than another doesn’t mean it is smart for a company to abandon it’s core competency for a different market. In fact switching markets is generally considered to me a major business error. Actually there are several large companies today where the owner previously abandoned whatever market they were in to start something new and it became a huge success. It can be a major error to change, or it could be a huge boon. There are also plenty of companies that died through lack of change. I bet Blockbuster is wishing they had abandoned their core competency. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Branson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/richard_branson/32/378050_2.png) [@Richard\_Branson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Richard_Branson)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/706 "2020-04-07T17:47:45Z")
GJ CCP 👍 ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/707 "2020-04-07T17:53:38Z")
How this will going to effect solo/small gang PVP ers? What kind of result CCP predicted when they applying this brawl changes? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/708 "2020-04-07T17:53:40Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > It wasn’t “one thing”, it was many. > Why are you saying it was “one thing”? I’m pointing out that **you** are saying that: > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > I’ve seen a reduction of subscribers _since 2013, when they started nerfing PvP and buffing farming!_ > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Not for a nieche product like EVE. It’s ‘niche’. Goddamn, if you’re going to go trying to appealing to the authority of ‘I CAN USE LOTS OF WORDS’ at least try to spell them correctly. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > You’re correct when you look at mainstreamers playing mainstream games. Then that’s hard. When you look at EVE players though, it’s not. When you’re the only one providing a specific product for a specific audience, which CCP does, then that audience is going to come. This assumes that ‘EVE Players’ only play EVE. We don’t. Sins of a Solar Empire, E:D, SW:TOR, Lord of the Rings Online, ESO, WoT, War Thunder, WoW, FFXIV… there’s a _huge_ number of other games out there that EVE players—people who were active and hard core in 2012—have migrated over to. Hell, a lot of them have found that guess what? If what you’re after is the excitement and thrill of fast-paced, small-group PvP… **many of those games are better**. Yes, people are playing different games. EVE players didn’t logout of EVE and just sit around being _bored_ for **eight goddamned years**. That’s not how human beings work. They established new patterns of behavior, developed new habits. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Your post hints at you seeing people as victims. No, I see them as being people. Nobody is a _victim_ of having a kid. Nobody’s a _victim_ of getting a new job or promotion that takes up more of their time, or of getting into a stable relationship that takes their attention away from pixelated spaceships. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > There is actually also potentially no need for an NPE. CCP should not hold someones hand. They should not play nanny. Hundreds of thousands of people did not require that for a whole decade. When CCP taking new players out of the hands of the older players things started going to shits. This is so pants-on-head stupid I can’t even begin to formulate a way to describe the sheer stupidity of it. Yes, people need to be given the information of how to interact with and within a 100% unfamiliar environment, how to get their bearings and learn to achieve their objectives, and even how to figure out what those objectives are and how to decide for themselves what their long-term goals are. That is what a NPE is, and the most successful newbie organizations in the game have been screaming for the need to improve EVE’s for over a decade. That’s _especially_ true if you’re trying to get players in who don’t already know someone playing EVE (which is, ideally, a large vector for your game to expand its audience). > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > That’s not how things work either way … > … and you believing that that’s how I think isn’t my problem. Well, it’s how _you’ve_ presented your position. Consistently. So if you don’t consider presenting your position in a way that _apparently_ conveys an impression other than the one you want to be ‘your problem’, well, we’re back to ‘dumb’. Cuz ya are. > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > surrounded mostly by idiots. Well, I’m interacting with _you_, so ya got me there. ---
**Author:** ![0phellia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0phellia/32/195845_2.png) [@0phellia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0phellia)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/709 "2020-04-07T17:54:02Z")
So how many tubes we’ll have in supers after this patch ? 4 (4xheavy) 5 (3+2 or 4/1 or smth like that) 6 (4+2 ?) btw cool that you think that supers and titans are only tools for destroying structures. I rly enjoy killing a raitaru or two after hard day in job rofl. ---
**Author:** ![LordOdysseus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lordodysseus/32/422627_2.png) [@LordOdysseus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LordOdysseus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/710 "2020-04-07T17:56:09Z")
No matter which nerfs or buffs occur, I’d like to join supercapital fights. One can dream… 🤤 ---
**Author:** ![Imperial\_Contracts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imperial_contracts/32/177226_2.png) [@Imperial\_Contracts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imperial_Contracts)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/711 "2020-04-07T17:57:01Z")
CCPlease add mutas for nerfed resist mods. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/712 "2020-04-07T17:57:02Z")
He is right you had zero idea and insight to write couple of things here to answer about Solo /small gang PVP properely, So are just attacking and smack talking reflects only ignorance . ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/713 "2020-04-07T17:57:05Z")
> [@Shuro\_Chi](#): > > Got yourself on a pretty high pedestal there huh? At some point it’s just enough. Dealing with so many people is exhausting. It also kind of takes a toll on people. Many grow bitter from reading and writing on the forums, constantly arguing with people who are simply incapable of understanding when someone else is right and they’re wrong. I know how that makes me sound, but that’s just how it is. You know this as well. In fact, absolutely most people have plentifully come into situations where they’re confronted with others who do not actually know what they’re talking about, but just believe they do. You know this. I know this. What most don’t seem to know, though, is when it’s healthy to admit that they _don’t actually know._ Like how you don’t know what Nicolai Serkanner is actually doing … … and why he is expressing himself the way he does … … and how he stands more for “freedom of speech” than, for example, _you_. We’re not equal. Some are better sometimes, some are worse sometimes, some are always worse, some are always better. “Welcome to EVE.” vOv 713 posts. It’s slowing down, kind of. The next wave will come eventually. 🙂 Bye! 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=30)