# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![SCORPIO\_SICARIO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scorpio_sicario/32/273811_2.png) [@SCORPIO\_SICARIO](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SCORPIO_SICARIO)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1048 "2020-04-08T01:37:23Z")
> [@Mingshoa](#): > > What baffles me is why CCP would not try to do something to keep is current subs, and encourge new subs to omega. What is the logic behind pissing of your base. Do they think for every 1 sub that leaves they get 2 new subs? The new player retention is extremely low something like 10% its a known fact coming from CCP’s own admission that they cannot retain new players, so its not really a big deal for them to kill off the entire new player community by nerfing isk generating pve activities, the only thing CCP seems to be clinging on is to keep the vets / old time players in game. At this point I think Pearl Abyss should directly know how unhappy the community is with these changes they introduced maybe that will force Pearl Abyss to change the CCP management and put actual people that care about growing their investment instead of killing it off! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1049 "2020-04-08T01:38:14Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > Battleships will still get nomed by HACs, T3s, and anything larger than them, infact the disparity is going to be higher because there is no battleship with a true T2 resist, and they still won’t be able to hit MWDing HACs or T3s Fingers crossed for a HAC and T3 nerf ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1050 "2020-04-08T01:39:21Z")
> [@SCORPIO\_SICARIO](#): > > so its not really a big deal for them to kill off the entire new player community by nerfing isk generating pve activities, the only thing CCP seems to be clinging on is to keep the vets / old time players in game. Damn new players and their huge logi wings…grrr ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1051 "2020-04-08T01:40:54Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Fingers crossed for a HAC and T3 nerf You didn’t read the patch notes did you? Eagle is going to go even slower in addition to losing enough PG that I have no idea how its going to fit a tank Munnin takes a 12% haircut to range and damage Loki and Legion (of all things) get absolutely hammered like foreget fitting arties or beams and missiles larger than rapids are questionable. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1052 "2020-04-08T01:42:21Z")
I did, but i was thinking something more generic across the classes rather than looking at one or two. What I’d really like is for t1 to become much more relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1053 "2020-04-08T01:42:51Z")
That was well said, and I totally agree. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1054 "2020-04-08T01:50:13Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln. Opening line is recognized by most Americans. Fixed your post for you, no need to thank me 🙂 > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Also, no one else is that ■■■■■■■ stupid. Oh but they are! so very **very** stupid, look there’s a bunch of them here in this very thread!!! Here’s one: > [@Gethsemene](#): > > Oh the strategy is to have fewer players, that’s the scarcity CCP is looking for. OK, OK. and another one > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s quite clear they are trying to push PvE and industry players away. And _another_ one > [@Delhaven](#): > > Yeah, but a lot of people are reading it as 55% resist going down to 35%. I just want to see it in writing that you’re right, and not everyone else. And **another** one > [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > Sounds like you need more CTAs to visit your articles from da big boss in Wiscahnsun. You guys can form twice that to gank a ratting Praxis with supers. Come on. Damn there’s a lot of stupid in this thread 😕 Won’t you people please think of the children!!! Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Jigalow\_Joe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jigalow_joe/32/261939_2.png) [@Jigalow\_Joe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jigalow_Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1055 "2020-04-08T01:50:37Z")
“Hey guys, we’re going to nerf an aspect of the game. You should go test it out and see the numbers that undoubtedly are going to change before going live. Don’t worry, we’ll disregard any feedback. Enjoy!” That’s what these devblogs have become anymore- a lack of information, a push to get players onto the test server, and a blatant disregard for feedback. Well, this is mine- give us numbers, and communicate why THIS change is the one that is best for the game overall. As I see it, it will cut off certain PvE aspects (T5 abyssal will be the hardest hit) while giving a buff to ganking (I think it will still the same, rather than declining, due to cost) while barely addressing what it purports to address. ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1056 "2020-04-08T01:51:12Z")
I am pretty sure I am going to be done with this game. As it stands now, I can deal with “The Code” but every time I go out to mine there is Raznaborg I barely get 5 minutes of mining before I am chased off. What is the point? And with out us miners in the game you can’t build ships, so just keep on pissing of miners. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1057 "2020-04-08T01:53:14Z")
> [@Mingshoa](#): > > And with out us miners in the game you can’t build ships, But there are so many other miners out there who know how to play the game and don’t cry like you. ☹ Edit: I can see you typing and trying to come up with something to say. But you don’t have to. If you’re mining in highsec, you’re irrelevant. You say things like “without us, you can’t build ships”, but you contribute so little to the game overall. It’s like you don’t realize how small you are but still think you’re some hot commodity. Can you tell me how much Ore you’ve mined? How many ships did you actually build? ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1058 "2020-04-08T01:57:52Z")
Aww what sweet imbecile you are. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1059 "2020-04-08T01:57:57Z")
> [@Jigalow\_Joe](#): > > Don’t worry, we’ll disregard any feedback Which feedback do you want them to listen to? The cries of ‘CCP hates me’ or the rational numbers people. Because all the rational numbers people have been fine with this proposed change. I mean sure it’s a little nerf to some things, it’s a buff to other things, but where exactly do you expect CCP to make dramatic changes to their proposal, what is this gaping issue you’ve spotted. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > If you’re mining in highsec, you’re irrelevant Yeah… Don’t be stupid Scoots. No player is irrelevant if they interact with the market at all. They might be small, but not irrelevant, Saying dumb stuff like this is what is commonly known as trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1060 "2020-04-08T02:00:10Z")
My main has been in the game since day one…when CCP sold to Pearl Abyss and the CCP old guard left, it was the beginning of the end. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1061 "2020-04-08T02:00:21Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > No player is irrelevant if they interact with the market at all. They might be small, but not irrelevant, They are small enough to be irrelevant. I don’t recall the last time fleets were built off the backs of people mining 2m isk worth of Veldspar in highsec per hour. > [@Mingshoa](#): > > My main has been in the game since day one… > [@Mingshoa](#): > > I can deal with “The Code” but every time I go out to mine there is Raznaborg You’ve played EVE Online for 16 years and yet the only two things you mention are 2 “threats” the only occur in High Sec? Wow, you sure showed me. 16 years of doing nothing but mining in highsec. Wow! ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1062 "2020-04-08T02:00:30Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > 20% is a lot when the EHP of my battleship was 200k that’s fuking 40k As said many times before, not a nerf on total EHP, but to shields/armor resistance ( and even so not total, only for modules applied) ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1063 "2020-04-08T02:03:17Z")
I don’t have to show you, you do quite well on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1064 "2020-04-08T02:05:42Z")
> [@Mingshoa](#): > > My main has been in the game since day one ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/4/2408c38ba24840dcbe46aaa32d6f8de3a164c621.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/b/eb34c8c580c4b7ab3d76e5feb586ca1670794928.png) Iono, I think this says enough about who you claim to be and how worthwhile your opinion is. ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1065 "2020-04-08T02:07:17Z")
Bloody right. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1066 "2020-04-08T02:09:24Z")
Is there any way to edit the stats of modules in Pyfa in order to see what the EHP reduction is going to be before this is released? ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1067 "2020-04-08T02:11:42Z")
Vagabond is a terrible fleet ship Sacrilege is a joke (just ask Goons they tried that recently) Zealot STILL doesn’t have enough grid (it hasn’t for years now) Ishtar has been nerfed out of the meta Diemost doesn’t have the range with rails, and has distinct fitting problems with 250s Munnin has been nerfed both of the last two patches Eagle too a 100m/s hit (and it was no racer to start with) I for one welcome my new Cerb overlords. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=44) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=46)