# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1216 "2020-04-08T08:20:19Z")
🔴 50 % because it is first fall-off. But at least you have a chance to apply some DPS thanks to the negative tracking bonus. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1217 "2020-04-08T08:21:02Z")
You’re wrong. At falloff your damage application is 40%. Same as your application against a target with same evasion as your tracking in optimal range. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1218 "2020-04-08T08:22:26Z")
🔴[https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Turret\_mechanics#Range](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Turret_mechanics#Range) Okay, I am wrong. Still it’s application that has the potential to hit, as opposed to closer range with that amm. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1219 "2020-04-08T08:22:57Z")
Yes, you are. The hit chance is 50%, but the damage application is 40%. It’s already written on that article, with a graph showing you : [![](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/File:Turret_HitChance_and_AverageDamage.PNG) ](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/File:Turret_HitChance_and_AverageDamage.PNG) ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Storm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_storm/32/246813_2.png) [@Quadra\_Storm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Storm)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1220 "2020-04-08T08:24:35Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > The fact you think this is a thoughtless whim says a lot more about you than it does about CCP. CCP are making a big hoo-ha about Quadrant-2. I love Abyssal DeadSpace (I play T4 & T5 only) - now it seems it will be at our doorstep with Quadrant-2. As this patch is about to be released - every PvE worthy ship gets a big nerf in the patch right before its release. You are right - it’s a cleverly planned ISK sink from CCP’s perspective. From a player perspective - let’s get excited that a cheap Catalyst has blazing-inferno powers, whilst my Paper-Jet bling Gila & Loki crumbles in DeadSpace and Quadrant-2 respectively. The fact that you’ve not thought this through as I have - tells me a lot more about you than it does about CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1221 "2020-04-08T08:27:05Z")
> [@Quadra\_Storm](#): > > As this patch is about to be released - every PvE worthy ship gets a big nerf in the patch right before its release PVE doesn’t make them much money. They need whole fleets to be dying regularly to make the big bucks. PVE was probably mostly glossed over and ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1222 "2020-04-08T08:27:42Z")
> [@Quadra\_Storm](#): > > my Paper-Jet bling Gila & Loki crumbles in DeadSpace and Quadrant-2 respectively. Good. Meanwhile, BSes get love. This is also good/ Im just annoyed Legion is now even less useful in any role than before, but I stopped flyin em ages ago, so its not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1223 "2020-04-08T08:29:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Good. > > Meanwhile, BSes get love. This is also good/ > > Im just annoyed Legion is now even less useful in any role than before, but I stopped flyin em ages ago, so its not a big deal. BSs are still going to feed to basically everything ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1226 "2020-04-08T08:32:58Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > BSs are still going to feed to basically everything Sorry, I dont know what this means, can you explain? ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Storm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_storm/32/246813_2.png) [@Quadra\_Storm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Storm)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1227 "2020-04-08T08:33:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Good. > > Meanwhile, BSes get love. This is also good/ > > Im just annoyed Legion is now even less useful in any role than before, but I stopped flyin em ages ago, so its not a big deal. Good. T3s require skillful players - others hide in BS’s to feel safe. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1228 "2020-04-08T08:34:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Sorry, I dont know what this means, can you explain? Die, they are going to die. They are going to die to bombers, they are going to die to HACs, they are going to die to caps, and they are going to die to dreads, supers and everything else. …they will sill be slow, they will still align like crap, their weapons still won’t be able tp track MWDing cruisers and all of the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1230 "2020-04-08T08:35:18Z")
> [@Quadra\_Storm](#): > > T3s require skillful players Really? There must be a feast of Loki geniuses out there then. Why are these skillful geniuses complaining then if they are so skillful? On the topic of BSes, looks like you two dont agree on what they are for… > [@Quadra\_Storm](#): > > others hide in BS’s to feel safe. > [@Onictus](#): > > They are going to die to bombers, they are going to die to HACs, they are going to die to caps, and they are going to die to dreads, supers and everything else. > > …they will sill be slow, they will still align like crap, their weapons still won’t be able tp track MWDing cruisers and all of the rest. Be interesting to see those ships being uses in HS, you know, where the densest concentration of BS users are… ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Storm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_storm/32/246813_2.png) [@Quadra\_Storm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Storm)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1231 "2020-04-08T08:36:28Z")
It’s simple - a BS will feed his superman Catalyst. 5 of the latter - and a low GTFO tank becomes Catalyst food. Good! ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1232 "2020-04-08T08:36:54Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > On the topic of BSes, looks like you two dont agree on what they are for… No one really uses BSs out from under stationary triage…like ever. Not in low, certainly not in null, and not in WHs. Why do you think that is? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1233 "2020-04-08T08:37:28Z")
Because they are clearly for HS bears to mission in. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1235 "2020-04-08T08:37:40Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Be interesting to see those ships being uses in HS, you know, where the densest concentration of BS users are… Doing missions? Prey tell? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1236 "2020-04-08T08:38:19Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > Doing missions? Prey tell? Most likely, why is this difficult of a concept? ---
**Author:** ![Quadra\_Storm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quadra_storm/32/246813_2.png) [@Quadra\_Storm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quadra_Storm)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1238 "2020-04-08T08:40:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Really? There must be a feast of Loki geniuses out there then. Why are these skillful geniuses complaining then if they are so skillful? There are. Why do you think they keep nerfing them? Constant “rebalances”, SP penalty, cost etc. PS. Going to love watching all these BS’s travel through Uedama and Niarja. What a hoot! ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1240 "2020-04-08T08:40:48Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Most likely, why is this difficult of a concept? Because its irrelevant, you need 200DPS and enough tank to do level 4 missions, missing a couple percentage points means very little …because rigs and native resists are unchanged ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1241 "2020-04-08T08:41:16Z")
You are on purpose combining two seperate points; the nerf of an over used ship and the buff of an underused class. These can both be good for two different reasons. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=52) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=54)