# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1484 "2020-04-08T14:10:35Z")
LOL. I already explained exactly where. Your math assumes a base resistance of zero. If you want to consider this the end of the world, feel free. I do Hi-Sec PVE and wormhole dives so I’m about as affected as anyone by this and while I don’t like it, we’ll adapt and carry on. We’ve already got a plan on how to adapt doctrine and while it’s a change, it’s not a killer change. Have a great day ---
**Author:** ![Elekai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elekai/32/469831_2.png) [@Elekai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elekai)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1487 "2020-04-08T14:13:54Z")
Why would you openly support things that are detrimental to your interests though? I’ve never quite understood people who do that. ---
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1489 "2020-04-08T14:14:16Z")
I don’t support the change but I can adapt to it. ---
**Author:** ![Loreth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loreth/32/249880_2.png) [@Loreth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loreth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1492 "2020-04-08T14:16:01Z")
I agree 100%. Literally just bought my 2nd super and first titan. Very disappointing. 60B that will likely be collecting dust. Think Ill go fly my Carrack… ---
**Author:** ![Kim\_Jong\_Ihl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kim_jong_ihl/32/196547_2.png) [@Kim\_Jong\_Ihl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kim_Jong_Ihl)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1493 "2020-04-08T14:17:08Z")
MSG me, i can Build everything like before o7 ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1496 "2020-04-08T14:22:11Z")
Is there a clear list of what modules/effects will be affected by the Surgical Strike update? Active shield modules (i assume yes) Scriptable shield modules (i assume yes) Passive shield modules (i assume yes) Active armor modules (i assume yes) Passive armor modules (i assume yes) Reactive armor hardener (?) Damage controls (?) ADC active effect (?) Capital Emergency hull energizers (?) Rigs (?) Command burst effects (?) Marauder bastions (?) Weather effects (?) @CCP_Dopamine @CCP_Rattati ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1497 "2020-04-08T14:22:31Z")
> [@Flanidia](#): > > I’ve looked at half a dozen fits… the number comes out to 4 to 6% on total ehp every time. And still when you claim that the impact on pve will be “from 4% to 6” you are wrong . > [@Flanidia](#): > > I think you and many others are overstating the impact on pve. We’ve looked at this in corp and it’s probably a 4 to 6% reduction in EHP on fits that are heavily resistance based. Not good but hardly the end of PVE the impact of REP on PVE is literally -8%. The impact on the LAYER that the logis will consider is ALSO -8% EHP. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1498 "2020-04-08T14:23:27Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > Is there a clear list of what modules/effects will be affected by the Surgical Strike update? I already listed them all along with the EHP/rep loss from those modules [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/794) ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1500 "2020-04-08T14:25:24Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I already listed them all along with the EHP/rep loss from those modules Sorry, but i’m not interested in the long-ass list of every damn module. I asked if there is a confirmed (by devs) list of module and effect **TYPES** that will be affected. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1501 "2020-04-08T14:26:51Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > I asked if there is a confirmed (by devs) list of module and effect **TYPES** that will be affected. The list of modules (actually the groups) is given in the article. The effect types are the same four for those groups. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1503 "2020-04-08T14:28:32Z")
> [@Elekai](#): > > Why would you openly support things that are detrimental to your interests though? Immediate interests, short-term interests, or long-term interests? In the immediate, this makes my life harder. It annoys the hell out of me. It forces me to do a lot of previously unnecessary work and gives me stress. In the short-term, this is going to cause upheaval and confusion, and disrupt day-to-day life. It will cause more stress. It will be annoying. In the long-term, this is absoluletly a necessary part of bringing all the years of rampant BS back in line and putting us on a healthier footing. I mean, those three statements could apply to this. They could apply to losing weight. They could apply to quitting smoking… long-term interests are _often_ at odds with short-term and immediate desires. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1506 "2020-04-08T14:30:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The list of modules (actually the groups) is given in the article. That list in the article can be speculated to be incomplete because there are more sources of where resistances may come form. Thus the question. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1509 "2020-04-08T14:32:26Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > That list in the article can be speculated to be incomplete because there are more sources of where resistances may come form. Thus the question. That’s literally 5 groups that exactly exist in the game files . Sure there can be more later, but I don’t get the point of asking for a correction if you have no reason to consider there is an error. ---
**Author:** ![Klaus\_Mortimer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/klaus_mortimer/32/196700_2.png) [@Klaus\_Mortimer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Klaus_Mortimer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1511 "2020-04-08T14:35:31Z")
EEEEE!!! Easier work suicide squad’s in empire!! Nice nerf! R.I.P quiet life… ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1512 "2020-04-08T14:35:33Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > if you have no reason to consider there is an error. But i do have a reason to consider there is an error/incomplete list: > in this update is a 20% reduction in the power of **ALL** modules that increase shield or armor resistances. listed 5 types do not account for ALL modules as written in article. Bastions are modules, DCUs too, as well as RAH, as well as command bursts… And then there are oddball effects like ADC active effect and capital panic stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Ysonoko\_Lelexandrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ysonoko_lelexandrian/32/188953_2.png) [@Ysonoko\_Lelexandrian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ysonoko_Lelexandrian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1513 "2020-04-08T14:36:47Z")
I would agree with that. But, don’t make it sound as if gate camping is some difficult activity that pays nothing. It’s an extremely lucrative activity, with virtually no risk since you know you will lose your ship to concord anyways. Even the lowest levels of competence are enough to make good isk gate camping. This change only makes gate camping even easier. Gate camping and ganking don’t need any buffs, it’s already mindlessly easy enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ray\_P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ray_p/32/196489_2.png) [@Ray\_P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ray_P)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1516 "2020-04-08T14:41:02Z")
Here is an example of the effect on a passive tanked Gila: [Gila, …] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Medium Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II 335 EHP/s passive regen before the changes 288 EHP/s after the changes it’s actually a lot more than i expected, it’s about 14% loss of EHP/s but is this a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![Emily\_lefebvre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emily_lefebvre/32/308436_2.png) [@Emily\_lefebvre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emily_lefebvre)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1517 "2020-04-08T14:41:15Z")
Lots of titans of pilots and super long time saved up skill points. that they must do to do now ? dreadnouts - rip ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1519 "2020-04-08T14:44:28Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > listed 5 types do not account for ALL modules as written in article. Bastions are modules, DCUs too, as well as RAH, as well as command bursts… DCUS, RAH don’t increase your resists. burst are remote effect. ADC and PANIC don’t either. Bastion don’t either. emergency hull energizer don’t either. so, only burst are actually increasing resistance. all the other are actually decreasing resonnance. Which implies that reducing their effect would actually makes you take less damage ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1523 "2020-04-08T14:49:42Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > DCUS, RAH don’t increase your resists. Lol? I wonder then, whats that thing that is shifted around every cycle of R(eactive)A(rmor)H(ardener) when you receive damage? > **RAH** > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/e/6e0ae3f6de0da8e96df5a37e104936eb338accc8.png) also > **image of DCII** > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/e/2eedfb7f1d6c76511ab4efb8bf5bb8575ebb584e.png) > **Bastion** > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/c/ec5541e788b1d88a53b4da3c761e8c76080e3e49.png) Are those SHIELD and ARMOR resistances i see? It cant be, right? And then there are rigs too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=61) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=63)