# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1739 "2020-04-09T10:24:59Z")
> [@Ulder\_Saissore](#): > > IDK CPP, What if I train into battleships and then you nerfed them in a way that they become irreconocible? Other months/years wasted in sp that don’t give me the function, fun and style of game for what I trained into in first place. Battleships are the tip of the iceberg, the super pilots getting burnt as we speak spent like 6-7 months training the JFC IV, JDCV skills When I trained it you needed BS V to get a cap skill book, that was 30 days (per race) then you need (well strongly recommend) carrier V which is a 60 day train, Logi V cruiser (another 60 days with the unlocks) Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration 36 days (again when I trained it) Drone V Drone Interfacing V heavy V …there goes 90 days, fighter V is 60, and that is needed before you undock a super. …oh yeah, when I did it there were no injectors, so you had to sit that ■■■■ out with an alt. Up hill both ways in the snow and ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1740 "2020-04-09T10:55:30Z")
if i had to guess i think he actually meant “generous”. Rebuilding that sentence with “generous” makes sense, rebuilding it with genius , or “genous”, does not. “Happy eve with, let’s be generous, 10k people online will be the future of this game…” I added some punctuation too. ---
**Author:** ![SCORPIO\_SICARIO](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scorpio_sicario/32/273811_2.png) [@SCORPIO\_SICARIO](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SCORPIO_SICARIO)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1741 "2020-04-09T10:56:10Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > > [@Ulder\_Saissore](#): > > > > IDK CPP, What if I train into battleships and then you nerfed them in a way that they become irreconocible? Other months/years wasted in sp that don’t give me the function, fun and style of game for what I trained into in first place. > > Battleships are the tip of the iceberg, the super pilots getting burnt as we speak spent like 6-7 months training the JFC IV, JDCV skills > > When I trained it you needed BS V to get a cap skill book, that was 30 days (per race) then you need (well strongly recommend) carrier V which is a 60 day train, Logi V cruiser (another 60 days with the unlocks) Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration 36 days (again when I trained it) Drone V Drone Interfacing V heavy V …there goes 90 days, fighter V is 60, and that is needed before you undock a super. > > …oh yeah, when I did it there were no injectors, so you had to sit that ■■■■ out with an alt. > > Up hill both ways in the snow and ■■■■. Here is the problem where CCP has a disconnect with the players whenever they make changes like this: They nerf hardeners by 20% so that affects PVE / PVP activities both has a positive and negative impact How is CCP compensating the players affected by the negative impacts of the changes they did to the game? An example of a compensation is if you purchased a Pithum A-Type for 1.2 bil isk and it suddenly has the stats of a C - Type hardener, then CCP should re imburse the difference for isk you overspent on an item CCP nerfed right? So that is one example, here’s another one if they nerf your ship i.e. FAX that you don’t want to use the ship anymore then CCP should offer a chance for the players affected to reimburse the skill points they used for the FAX so they can train other things they find useful. THIS IS THE DISCONECT CCP HAS AND WHY SO MANY PLAYERS UNSUB FROM OMEGA! ---
**Author:** ![Cheese\_Donkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cheese_donkey/32/254935_2.png) [@Cheese\_Donkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cheese_Donkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1742 "2020-04-09T11:08:00Z")
I could understand 10% maybe 12%, but 20% ? You are going to have some massive negative side effects from this! Please I urge you to reconsider. This is a massive boost to gankers which is one of the main reasons people leave game already. This is going to nerf PVE massively. Essentially makeing lvl 5 missions now a team effort, some level 4’s and complex’s much harder, angel especially! This is going to create even more blob warfare. With higher resists the underdogs have a chance with skill. Now its going to be more of a numbers game. Fights are going to be over much quicker with less of that adrenaline rush when you’re not sure if your team mates or logi are going to get to you in time. Please don’t try and fix something that isn’t necessarily broken. 10-12% OK, 20%… no. Please reconsider. This seems to be a shameless cash grab and I ask you please reconsider a little. ---
**Author:** ![Cheese\_Donkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cheese_donkey/32/254935_2.png) [@Cheese\_Donkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cheese_Donkey)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1743 "2020-04-09T11:09:30Z")
> [@SCORPIO\_SICARIO](#): > > ple of a compensation is if yo Totally Agree! CCP are so far from the player base these days. ---
**Author:** ![Ysonoko\_Lelexandrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ysonoko_lelexandrian/32/188953_2.png) [@Ysonoko\_Lelexandrian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ysonoko_Lelexandrian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1744 "2020-04-09T11:09:52Z")
Maximum salt. I like it. Even I wasn’t this salty after moons got rekt. Cheers m8 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1745 "2020-04-09T11:10:10Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > I mean really, this update buffs just as much PvE as it nerfs. Yeah, so tell me how has this update buffed my T3 Loki that I use to run all of the lv 4 Epic Arcs? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Ambulance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_ambulance/32/48290_2.png) [@Black\_Ambulance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Ambulance)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1746 "2020-04-09T11:14:20Z")
great patch to kill alpha pilots :))) ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1748 "2020-04-09T11:54:41Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > So what you want from me is a proof that i can see into the future and not just stating my opinion? No I never said that, at all… if that’s you’re take away oh boy, it’s really time to take a step back. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Really? No, i just said that, jeez, chill already. > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Well i guess you also cannot prove my OPINION wrong in any other form than a guess This guess is closer to the mark. You’re of the opinion that the player base will decrease with this upcoming change, by you leaving (and contracting me all your stuff as you go), I will be able to prove you right! I know, I know, calm down, you are allowed to be right at least once in your lifetime, I guess… but it’s only _after_ you have contracted me all your stuff because you are leaving. _Then_ I can say “Hey CCP peeps, you see, this guy Darlo, he was **right** , not just a great source of salt & tears on the forums, but the player count _has_ dropped, cause he left”. And I’m sure CCP will say “The who did what now?” and probably be very confused by the whole interaction… Edit: It’s also really amusing that anyone who disagrees with your obviously well thought out and informed opinion is somehow a white knight for CCP, just hilarious. Later, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Murkar\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murkar_omaristos/32/258452_2.png) [@Murkar\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murkar_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1749 "2020-04-09T11:58:45Z")
These changes are rock-in-brain retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Sho\_Riagl\_Khardula](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sho_riagl_khardula/32/292422_2.png) [@Sho\_Riagl\_Khardula](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sho_Riagl_Khardula)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1750 "2020-04-09T11:58:48Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > [snipped for brevity] > > Because i BET you elect your political leaders the same way you talk here… > > Always the guy that promised the most and keeps the less afterwards(aka donald and boris)… As you have raised the issue of politics, perhaps this is a good place for me to table a question that I had been cogitating - and forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I felt unable to dedicate enough time to trawl through the unfortunate abundance of ad hominems that this thread has garnered. Anyway… I, for one, would love to know what part the [@CSM](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/csm) have played in the matter at hand - both as a collective and as individuals. Perhaps they could each be so bold as to summon themselves hither and make clear to their plebeians both their involvement and their individual positions. But as for politics, let’s keep it to space politics if we can. [Edited to link [@CSM](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/csm) ] ---
**Author:** ![Murkar\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murkar_omaristos/32/258452_2.png) [@Murkar\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murkar_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1751 "2020-04-09T11:59:34Z")
> hither and make clear to their plebeians Alright ■■■■■■■ calm down there mark twain ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1752 "2020-04-09T12:06:44Z")
I’ve seen a lot of pro-CCP cheer leaders posting in this thread but it seems none can answer my question: Just exactly how does this update buff my T3 Loki that I use to run the lv 4 Epic Arcs? Answer: **IT DOESN’T** ---
**Author:** ![Bort\_Sampson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bort_sampson/32/196938_2.png) [@Bort\_Sampson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bort_Sampson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1753 "2020-04-09T12:21:26Z")
This will hit all new player in bad way and it make live A lot harder traders miners for anyone skilling up doing mission run in high sec you lose pve player you kill game fast ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1754 "2020-04-09T12:41:39Z")
Oooh I missed that, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Neugeniko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neugeniko/32/382909_2.png) [@Neugeniko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neugeniko)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1755 "2020-04-09T12:51:50Z")
[Surgical Strike Update Follow-up](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061) ccp rise softening this big nerf a little. ---
**Author:** ![Bane\_Askold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bane_askold/32/242404_2.png) [@Bane\_Askold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bane_Askold)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1756 "2020-04-09T13:48:20Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Just exactly how does this update buff my T3 Loki that I use to run the lv 4 Epic Arcs? Just adapte like all other players past 16 years. Natural Selection bro ! You can quit too ( part of Natural selection too ) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1757 "2020-04-09T13:53:47Z")
Obviously you don’t know how to read since you can’t answer my question. Also I’ve been here for almost 12 years so don’t say that ‘adapt or quit’ crap to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bane\_Askold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bane_askold/32/242404_2.png) [@Bane\_Askold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bane_Askold)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1758 "2020-04-09T14:03:38Z")
12 Years… So you know how it works. You can complain as you want too, and no change will be made by CCP. For your Loki, explore other fitting, other ships, other way to make isk. I’ve got the same problem as you because i’m doing filaments, and i have to rework my Gila to handle it or maybe find a T2 cruiser i like to pilote. But it’s the game, it’s the life, changes appened everywhere, everytime… In the past 12 years you had to experience other update you thought bad but you are still here. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1759 "2020-04-09T14:08:28Z")
Other updates didn’t do a massive nerf across the board with a double tap kill-strike on a specific ship. Anyway, it was a simple question in response to those saying this update actually buffs PvE ships. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=70) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=72)