# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1760 "2020-04-09T14:17:44Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, it was a simple question in response to those saying this update actually buffs PvE ships. It actually buffs polarized torpedo barghest. /thread. (edit : only if you use rage torps, so if you also use 2 rigors+ flare + 2 RF TP. And if you have explosion sig and explo speed implants) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1761 "2020-04-09T14:32:29Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > So what you want from me is a proof that i can see into the future and not just stating my opinion? > > Really? > > Well i guess you also cannot prove my OPINION wrong in any other form than a guess… > > So why should I leave and you can stay here? > > And the only possible reaosn for THIS can be your dislike of my opinion. > > And this is (sugar coated response) not nice. Dude, carebears have been telling PvPers to leave the game if they don’t like the constant PvP nerfs for over a _decade_. Just a constant stream of “can I have your stuff?” or “griefer tears, hahaha!” drivel each and every time CCP buffs CONCORD, removes the ability to declare war, etc etc. We’re only giving back to you what you’ve been giving us for so long. That might make you sad, but don’t you think it’s at least _fair_? > [@Cheese\_Donkey](#): > > This is a massive boost to gankers which is one of the main reasons people leave game already. It’s not a “massive boost” to gankers; it just means that they will _sometimes_ have to use one less ship. Considering that in the past ganking paid out insurance, had a much larger window in which to apply damage, allowed warping, et cetera, all of which were changed due to forum carebear rage, you will simply have to chalk this one up to give-and-take. Ganking has been taken from for so long, and now it’s okay to give something back. > [@Cheese\_Donkey](#): > > This is going to nerf PVE massively. Essentially makeing lvl 5 missions now a team effort, some level 4’s and complex’s much harder, angel especially! Level 5 missions were never **meant** to be solo content! Neither were middle-tier complexes! This just goes to show everyone how entitled carebears have become after being able to gorge themselves on massive incomes that were never _intended_ to be easily exploitable by a single person! > [@Cheese\_Donkey](#): > > This is going to create even more blob warfare. With higher resists the underdogs have a chance with skill. Now its going to be more of a numbers game. Tanking decreases have the exact _opposite_ effect of that! Source: I’m a predominantly solo (and sometimes very small, trusted group) PvPer, and have been basically since the game came out. Since the size of my own force (usually myself, but regardless) is limited at the low end, any sort of tanking decrease allows me to break through _stronger_ group tanks, increasing the margin of fights in which I can successfully start cascading the enemy force, instead of being unable to break even the first tank. Since most of my fights happen where I’m outnumbered, my own defenses are less relevant because I have to use trickery to survive _anyway_, and can’t fight directly out in the open to begin with, with a few rare exceptions (like when I’m fighting a bunch of total idiots, and can just actively tank them all in a single Hyperion or Brutix or whatever). Damage wins fights! > [@Cheese\_Donkey](#): > > Fights are going to be over much quicker with less of that adrenaline rush when you’re not sure if your team mates or logi are going to get to you in time. If fights are over quicker, that means I make money. Good! ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1762 "2020-04-09T14:35:16Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > Battleships are the tip of the iceberg, the super pilots getting burnt as we speak spent like 6-7 months training the JFC IV, JDCV skills lol, it doesn’t take 6 months to train those skills - I know, I have them at L5. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1763 "2020-04-09T14:40:04Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Just exactly how does this update buff my T3 Loki that I use to run the lv 4 Epic Arcs? You get 15% extra dps. Just need to bling it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1764 "2020-04-09T14:53:25Z")
Already have max Deadspace fit on it… Besides the 20% reduction in shield or armor resistance modules, the Loki offensive subsystem bonus to projectile optimal range, fall off and tracking is also reduced to 5% per level along with powergrid reduced to 550. I’m done talking to you, you have no clue about anything. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1765 "2020-04-09T14:55:36Z")
Of course I don’t… I use HAM loki after all. So I don’t give a crap about nerf to projectiles on loki. ---
**Author:** ![triplleboy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/triplleboy/32/329876_2.png) [@triplleboy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/triplleboy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1766 "2020-04-09T15:34:29Z")
CCP finally achieved a major decision. Let EVE die horribly, do not listen to the community, grab as much $ as CCP can in the given time. Pitty, EVE used to be the best there was, now it has become a dumb PVP fest. i liked to do both PVE and PVP, but i think after 14 yrs of playing EVE its time to say goodbye :’’( ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1767 "2020-04-09T15:44:31Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I’ve seen a lot of pro-CCP cheer leaders posting in this thread but it seems none can answer my question: > > Just exactly how does this update buff my T3 Loki that I use to run the lv 4 Epic Arcs? > > Answer: **IT DOESN’T** You’re using a ship that was _fundamentally_ intended for PvP, as a mission boat. While you’re welcome to do this (heck, you can try to use an interceptor if you want, it’s your life), your concern lacks a degree of objectivity because of this. While I won’t go as far as to say that epic L4s weren’t intended to be solo content, the onus is still on you to choose the best tool for the job, and you haven’t. Remember, just because something _happens to work_ for a certain task, doesn’t mean that that task becomes part of that item’s functional consideration. If you, as a taxi driver, decide to use a Hummer to drive people through the narrow streets of a big, busy city, the producer isn’t suddenly obligated to re-engineer the vehicle with your use case scenario in mind. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1771 "2020-04-09T16:12:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re using a ship that was _fundamentally_ intended for PvP, as a mission boat. While you’re welcome to do this (heck, you can try to use an interceptor if you want, it’s your life), your concern lacks a degree of objectivity because of this. While I won’t go as far as to say that epic L4s weren’t intended to be solo content, the onus is still on you to choose the best tool for the job, and you haven’t. Almost all ships in this game are _fundamentally_ intended for PvP. You must be one of those players who thinks Level 4 missions must be done in a Battleship. Well that’s your opinion and quite frankly, you’re welcome to it. However you obviously have no clue about running the Level 4 Epic Arcs and you’re definitely no expert on how to play Eve. And yes, the Epic Arcs were implemented as solo content, if you can’t complete them solo then you’re playing the game wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Tak\_Goden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tak_goden/32/260085_2.png) [@Tak\_Goden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tak_Goden)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1773 "2020-04-09T16:16:50Z")
I agree i was trying to respond to the other lady. I’m taking your side. This absolutely helps gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Mingshoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingshoa/32/196544_2.png) [@Mingshoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingshoa)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1774 "2020-04-09T16:17:55Z")
I see that CCP posted a calm down post, I am sure after a rash of canceled subs. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1776 "2020-04-09T16:30:37Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > (heck, you can try to use an interceptor if you want, it’s your life) To be fair, missionning in Ceptors is actually tons of fun, for me. Much more than in a big tanked pussy ship, that is ultimately fit in such a way that you can basically finish your L4S while being AFK. You know, what the people crying in this thread are flying. (edit: I don’t know why it’s saying that I’m answering to you Mickael, I’m speaking to Destiny. Sorry for the future notification that isn’t intended to you.) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1777 "2020-04-09T16:34:57Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > (edit: I don’t know why it’s saying that I’m answering to you Mickael, I’m speaking to Destiny. Sorry for the future notification that isn’t intended to you.) No problem. And actually the Level 3 Pirate Epic Arc’s were originally designed and implemented to be run with Interceptors. Yeah, I don’t know where that other poster came from but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna follow that advice. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1779 "2020-04-09T16:39:41Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > You’re using a ship that was _fundamentally_ intended for PvP, as a mission boat. While you’re welcome to do this (heck, you can try to use an interceptor if you want, it’s your life), your concern lacks a degree of objectivity because of this. While I won’t go as far as to say that epic L4s weren’t intended to be solo content, the onus is still on you to choose the best tool for the job, and you haven’t. > > Almost all ships in this game are _fundamentally_ intended for PvP. Not at all. While it can be said that _most_ ships are intended for mixed use, There are specific ship types that have a very narrow focus. No one _reasonable_ would use an interceptor, an interdictor, or a stealth bomber for PvE. Similarly, it just doesn’t work very well in practice to use a marauder for PvP, despite the amazing stats and bonuses. I go back to the Vindicator and Hyperion every time I try. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > You must be one of those players who thinks Level 4 missions must be done in a Battleship. No, I’m one of the players who thinks that the correct tool should be chosen for the job. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > However you obviously have no clue about running the Level 4 Epic Arcs and you’re definitely no expert on how to play Eve. You’re right, I have no clue about running Level 4 Epic Arcs, because I’m not an imbecile, and understand that I can make more money doing pretty much _anything_ else, including _killing players like yourself_. 🕶 > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Almost every T3 subsystem bonus deals with PvP-related functions, and the bonuses that don’t are overarching bonuses (such as damage) that are present on almost every hull in the game. Do you need scan resolution or tackle range bonuses for missions? Do you sometimes enjoy a nice Saturday evening blitzing some level 3s in your Rapier? > > > > Thought so. > > Wow, just from your replies I can tell you don’t know crap about T3 Cruisers. > > T3 Cruisers can be customized and fit in a lot of different ways. Come back after you learn how to do your own ship fitting instead of just copying the average F1 Monkey Fleet Doctrine. Nice try, but I haven’t stepped foot in 0.0 since wormholes came out, and have pretty much been a solo pirate/mercenary since then. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1783 "2020-04-09T16:56:44Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > You’re right, I have no clue about running Level 4 Epic Arcs, because I’m not an imbecile, and understand that I can make more money doing pretty much _anything_ else, including _killing players like yourself_ . 🕶 > > Definitely. But I don’t believe that you should just choose your activity according to ISK profits. > > That’s ironic coming from a supposed PvP player, since anyway, if you had to do the BEST activity ISK wise, you wouldn’t do Epic Arcs, but you wouldn’t do PvP either. > > By pretending that it is “stupid” to do an activity because other activites pay better, you put most type of PvP in the “stupid” case. > > Surely that’s not your intention. I can see the point that you’re trying to make, and I _kind_ of agree, don’t get me wrong. But I also think it’s reasonable to treat EVE as a wealth and power accumulation simulator, because without that interpersonal competition, the gameplay is very shallow. Given the choice of running repetitive missions for fun, or opening up a game like Skyrim or Zelda BotW, I will invariably choose the latter. That said, I still make more money from PvP than I would say _most_ mission runners (L4 and below) do. The difference is that if/when I _really_ need quick cash, I will engage in other forms of PvE, such as wormholes, because the income is much greater. However, I still find PvP more _fun_. This dude, on the other hand, runs Level 4 missions almost exclusively it seems, which makes no economic sense, because the content is very similar to other types of PvE content that _pay more_. This isn’t like my choice between “do PvE or do PvP,” but more like “do PvE by killing one type of rat or do PvE by killing a different kind of rat.” Why would you ever _not_ choose the one that pays more with regard to the latter? It makes no sense. But then again, high-sec mission runners and miners make no sense. I just started a new character, and made over 100 million in 3 days _from scratch_ just by snowballing a few trades on the market. Meanwhile, other players are mining Veld in Ventures for 2M per hour. It’s nonsensical, and utterly asinine. And _these_ are the people complaining in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1785 "2020-04-09T17:07:11Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Please go post your crap somewhere else and stop trying to make it seem like you’re the expert on Eve ships. Too bad for you, because I _am_. I lost my first ship on my second day in the game trying to attack gate campers in Placid low-sec, and spent the next fifteen years fighting other players, adapting my fits, doing a whole lot of math, and creating combat strategies. I was one of the first players to figure out the inverse hyperbolic equation for lock time. I’ve probably spent a good third of my time in-game just theorycrafting PvP fits. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > You don’t know me and you’re stupid to assume that you do. I know your _type_. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1787 "2020-04-09T17:34:36Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > > [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > > > One side favoring ‘improvements’ > > You do know that those PvE players called Incursion runners are literally salivating at this update, they will make MORE ISK from this, as they will kill tower bashes so much faster. Under absolute IDEAL conditions, TTK the required rats and kill the tower drops a bit under one minute for a TCRC, absent a contest. Less relevant on other sites. Looking like, under perfect conditions, about 10m/hr increase for most communities in HQs Might be more for VG communities which use pulse mares/pallies, but as their site times are so short, they’re more at the mercy of warp distances and benefit more from the scan res change than the DPS change. ---
**Author:** ![Ronimil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronimil/32/243336_2.png) [@Ronimil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronimil)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1789 "2020-04-09T18:24:03Z")
An OCEAN of tears being shed over an awesome update. Me: 😆 😆 😆 🤣 🤣 😉 Eve Babies: 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1791 "2020-04-09T18:59:32Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > No one _reasonable_ would use an interceptor, an **interdictor,** > > My anomaly running Flycatcher and Sabre would disagree with you there. You’re an outlier, and don’t represent a proper use case scenario. What does a Sabre do that a Svipul can’t, with regard to PvE? Once again, just because you _can_ do something, doesn’t mean that it’s the efficient or optimal way to do it. I can put small guns on my Megathron to fight an enemy frigate, and I might win the fight, but my success won’t mean that it’s _necessarily_ a viable and correct strategy. There are ships in the same class that have better slots and bonuses for direct combat than interdictors, as far as PvE is concerned. That is _factual_, even if you can make something else work too. ---
**Author:** ![Norbi\_Wroclawianin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norbi_wroclawianin/32/182188_2.png) [@Norbi\_Wroclawianin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norbi_Wroclawianin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/1794 "2020-04-09T19:40:16Z")
change is not good sometimes I fly in militia - frigates after the upgrade, the combat time will decrease significantly I’m not a robot - I can’t react so quickly someone doesn’t like solo players ;( [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=71) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=73)