# Surgical Strike – Coming 15 April **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569 "2020-04-07T11:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Black\_Doggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_doggs/32/322415_2.png) [@Black\_Doggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Doggs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2291 "2020-04-15T22:01:10Z")
i’ve lost lots just look at my kill board lol losing ■■■■ wont make me quit ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2293 "2020-04-15T22:08:47Z")
> [@Black\_Doggs](#): > > i’ve lost lots just look at my kill board lol > losing ■■■■ wont make me quit Okay, just did. You have a decent killboard, nothing that stands out as particularly good or bad. But it should be noted that your total losses so far are like what…20% of what a titan costs? Losing the titan will be _different_, you and I both know it. Also, you’re paying out of your own pocket for something that’s a tool of alliance warfare. Unless your organization will compensate you for its loss, that means that you’re taking on a **massive** risk on behalf of someone else, which is a very questionable decision. Or maybe you’re planning to do PvE stuff with it? In which case, why? Just don’t get the titan, and you can replace your losses for the next 10-15 years? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2294 "2020-04-15T22:14:08Z")
I checked as well and as a worst case scenario would suggest just going alpha for a while. CCP “seems” to be a little bit more willing to adjust the numbers this time around. (at least I hope) ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Doggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_doggs/32/322415_2.png) [@Black\_Doggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Doggs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2295 "2020-04-15T22:56:23Z")
yep i realised that and yes we are srp as long as fit is correct and used in fleet ops. still though it made me want to rethink my whole skill tree now. i think ccp should have take this into consideration too if they havent already done so. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2296 "2020-04-15T23:30:40Z")
> [@Black\_Doggs](#): > > but i think we are headed in the wrong direction at 1st glance. Man it’s a good thing you weren’t around when Titans had no bonus at all to plates & extenders, and Capital plates & extenders didn’t even exist as well. For nearly all of Titan’s existence they were fine without that bonus. The bonus being reduced is not the end of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Doggs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_doggs/32/322415_2.png) [@Black\_Doggs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Doggs)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2297 "2020-04-16T01:55:08Z")
i have never done but is on my “To Do” list DED / esculation and those trig sites to get the new trig dread bp are these still possible solo with the changes? dont bit my head off lol im still learning 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Pneuma\_Praxis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pneuma_praxis/32/198431_2.png) [@Pneuma\_Praxis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pneuma_Praxis)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2298 "2020-04-16T02:08:37Z")
Just bought a Legion the day before this patch for doing C2/C3 sites. The fit now is terrible compared to what I could do before. The pg and resist nerfs in combination are devastating especially for PVE where the rats are still the same. ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2299 "2020-04-16T02:13:00Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > The bonus being reduced is not the end of the world. Getting jacked down to what a plated Nyx was pre-patch and having basically any T2 bomber become a 1000dps animal is a pretty heavy hit. Particularly with the knee capping the FAXs just took. ---
**Author:** ![Pneuma\_Praxis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pneuma_praxis/32/198431_2.png) [@Pneuma\_Praxis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pneuma_Praxis)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2300 "2020-04-16T02:30:58Z")
How are you fitting Legion post patch? I just bought one mostly for WH combat sites but I can’t seem to get a fit worth bothering with now.l ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2301 "2020-04-16T02:50:11Z")
You are still significantly up on the pre ehp buff titan. So compared to that bombers and in fact all sub caps are still weaker than they used to be. Pointing at the patch where CCP went way too far as a comparison is always going to look bad, because it was OP. ---
**Author:** ![Scorp\_Majors](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scorp_majors/32/123732_2.png) [@Scorp\_Majors](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scorp_Majors)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2302 "2020-04-16T03:14:06Z")
The easier it is to gank, the cheaper and better the pve ships will be. At the current rate, there will be nothing worth killing out there to be killed. Just an observation… remember how blackout went? These constant nerfs to krabs will end up killing the game because when it gets to a point that it is no longer viable to krab, people will stop krabbing. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2303 "2020-04-16T06:47:23Z")
yeh, bad risk averse corps!! ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2304 "2020-04-16T06:52:43Z")
> [@Onictus](#): > > Getting jacked down to what a plated Nyx was pre-patch and having basically any T2 bomber become a 1000dps animal is a pretty heavy hit. Comparing a Nyx to a bomber… really? ---
**Author:** ![Onictus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onictus/32/277200_2.png) [@Onictus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onictus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2305 "2020-04-16T06:53:31Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > Comparing a Nyx to a bomber… really? I was talking about an Erebus actually. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2307 "2020-04-16T11:11:29Z")
I’ll send my fit via in-game mail. ---
**Author:** ![Khorin\_D\_tael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khorin_d_tael/32/507811_2.png) [@Khorin\_D\_tael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khorin_D_tael)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2312 "2020-04-16T12:46:39Z")
I have a Tengu for hi-sec level 4’s which is cap stable with an omni tank. TBH it was really overtanked for all missions except for “In the midst of deadspace” where the EM damage took about a 1/3 of the shields down before I killed off all the higher DPS. If I had run 2 EM hardeners and 1 Invul instead of 2 invul’s and 1 EM it would have held much easier. Basically I didn’t really care though as it wasn’t a problem and it was a fit that did everything cost efficiently. This fit is all T2 as well with a DC in the low slot. Before the change I was going to remove the DC and fit a 3rd BCU as the tank was overkill and I wanted more DPS. When the change was announced I put off the new fit to check it out after the patch. After the change I’d lost 8% from my EM resist and about 2 or 3% on the others. I had a Target painter fitted which I never really used because the precision missiles used on the smaller NPC’s didn’t benefit much if at all, so I removed it and replaced with another Invul field. As a result I now have slightly less EM than before and when I use the high damage T2 missiles I get more DPS than I did before which would have been the same as when I removed the DC and put a 3rd BCU on. To cut a long story short I have only slightly less EHP on a fit that was very over the top with a T2 tank for level 4 missions and now I have more DPS than I did before. Nothing has changed for me apart for a little tweak of the fitting and most missions are a bit quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2313 "2020-04-16T13:07:06Z")
That’s BS. The simple fact that you consider the ppc of the resit means you have no idea what the real effect is. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2318 "2020-04-16T15:11:36Z")
Removed posts discussing moderation. Don’t abuse the flagging system, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Stephan\_X\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stephan_x_janau/32/272899_2.png) [@Stephan\_X\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stephan_X_Janau)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2319 "2020-04-16T15:55:27Z")
Why is it that Nobody seems to realize that PVP/PVE survival can be increased by flying well, making better decisions… Active piloting Rather than warping into a site, then go make yourself a sandwich as your drones do the work ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569/2320 "2020-04-16T16:19:37Z")
> [@Stephan\_X\_Janau](#): > > Why is it that Nobody seems to realize that PVP/PVE survival can be increased by flying well, making better decisions… Active piloting Rather than warping into a site, then go make yourself a sandwich as your drones do the work ? For the same reason that “Caution: contents will be HOT, improper use may lead to personal injury” is written on coffee cups. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=93) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-coming-15-april/230569.md?page=95)