# Surgical Strike Update Follow-up **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Created:** [April 8, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061 "2020-04-08T19:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Killian\_O\_Carroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/killian_o_carroll/32/194659_2.png) [@Killian\_O\_Carroll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Killian_O_Carroll)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/69 "2020-04-08T20:32:38Z")
Must’ve seen a marked increase in cancellations. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/71 "2020-04-08T20:32:55Z")
You dropped 2b on a T2 fit? Mebbe shop in better places? ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Thenos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zero_thenos/32/196778_2.png) [@Zero\_Thenos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zero_Thenos)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/73 "2020-04-08T20:33:52Z")
Hey, it’s good to see a reply here! Glad to see you are open to feedback! Have you thought about the impact to stuff like Marauders and Black Ops in terms of the resistance nerf as well? Unlike other ship classes, Tech 2 battleships do not get full Tech 2 level resistance profiles. Could you please consider that as well as the scan resolution increase, as T2 Battleships (especially Blackops) become way too easy to kill with the resist nerfs. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_altol/32/173470_2.png) [@Nate\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Altol)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/75 "2020-04-08T20:39:18Z")
Less faxes means more fighting sure, but it also means less fighting for smaller groups who tend to try to fight the blob. How are the groups who pull 50-70 subs supposed to fight the groups who pull 200 subs without having active faxes that can tank a fortizar? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/77 "2020-04-08T20:40:51Z")
> [@Zero\_Thenos](#): > > T2 Battleships (especially Blackops) become way too easy to kill with the resist nerfs. Black Ops in general rarely relies on tank for survival. If they’re in a brawl reliant on tank, they ■■■■■■ up their engagement to start with. I don’t think this’ll make much of a difference in the amount of dead Black Ops. Marauder resist nerfs… honestly, with their toolset I don’t really see them being affected much either. They were already ■■■■ for PvP so it’s not much use lost there, and for highsec PvE they’re so ridiculously OP that the resist nerf won’t really make much difference either. The problems with the Marauder needs a very different and significant rethink for them to be both PvP viable and worth the expense, since in low and null they are beaten in all ways by regular capitals for less money. (Discounting niche cases with MJD kiting etc, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/78 "2020-04-08T20:40:57Z")
> [@Nate\_Altol](#): > > How are the groups who pull 50-70 subs supposed to fight the groups who pull 200 subs without having active faxes that can tank a fortizar? How many “smaller groups” are trying to fight with 200 people on a hostile Fortizar grid with FAXes? Especially if they’re fighting against “the blob” who can just dreadbomb those FAXes. Who are these mythical “small groups” that you’re talking about because I’ve never seen them before. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/79 "2020-04-08T20:41:33Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Well, the damage buff only applies to short range ammo, excluding exotic plasma -so when it comes to optimal ships, only the vindi will get a buff. Plus, shield leshaks might be a thing of the past since they already required a fair amount of bling to get their tank up to snuff pre-patch. Then on top of that, we’ll need to tweak some fits away from efficiency and towards tank, and/or roll logi heavy. So, I doubt site times will go down (well, at least for shield communities. Armor communities get to keep their leshaks, so the downsides won’t be as bad for them). I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the shield communities roll out their reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Dankguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dankguy/32/262689_2.png) [@Dankguy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dankguy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/80 "2020-04-08T20:41:42Z")
lmao idiot just get more friends, easy fix! that’s what ccp wants all of us to do apparently ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_altol/32/173470_2.png) [@Nate\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Altol)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/81 "2020-04-08T20:42:30Z")
Literally the only reason I log in is to fight blobs. Example: [https://br.inyour.space/?s=45320&b=9069062&e=1538&t=fjubaaaaaaarfb](https://br.inyour.space/?s=45320&b=9069062&e=1538&t=fjubaaaaaaarfb) Snuff is another good example. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_altol/32/173470_2.png) [@Nate\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Altol)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/82 "2020-04-08T20:43:10Z")
Yeah apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/84 "2020-04-08T20:44:42Z")
> [@Nate\_Altol](#): > > Example: [EVE Kill Report Repair Tool](https://br.inyour.space/?s=45320&b=9069062&e=1538&t=fjubaaaaaaarfb) I only see 2 FAXes there, and they were part of “the blob” as you put it. I think you just proved my point for me. The “smaller groups” aren’t even using FAXes on a Fortizar grid, so this change wouldn’t impact them like you claim it would. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_altol/32/173470_2.png) [@Nate\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Altol)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/86 "2020-04-08T20:46:09Z")
You’re calling the 130 side of a 130v500 fight ‘the blob’ are you an idiot? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/87 "2020-04-08T20:46:11Z")
> [@CCP\_Rise](#): > > we are planning to increase freighter hp while we do some investigation on the current state of high sec ganks. I don’t understand. Freighters are precisely the less affected by these changes because they cannot fit resist mods. Why would you be more concerned about them than about all the other ships, especially after the nerf to bumping? Makes no sense to me. Seeing how you seem to anticipate you may have to adjust lots of things after the changes, wouldn’t it be a better idea to make less drastic changes at first? Also FWIW, you nerfed my favourite ship. There, I said it, have some tears from me too. 😢 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Devlin\_Shardo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/devlin_shardo/32/386167_2.png) [@Devlin\_Shardo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Devlin_Shardo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/89 "2020-04-08T20:47:02Z")
I think he is 🙂 Fighting a blob is usually more fun than being in one. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/90 "2020-04-08T20:47:36Z")
> [@Nate\_Altol](#): > > are you an idiot? Are you? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/9/19c902e250e2fe5815a53e4f2de673654d03be1f.png) > [@Nate\_Altol](#): > > How are the groups who pull 50-70 subs supposed to fight the groups who pull 200 subs **without having active faxes that can tank a fortizar**? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/5/45829873fc57e2edc6b332e3d4ee0e47d7b48e08.png) Yeah, these 2 active Apostles were tanking the fortizar. Without them, the battle would have been over immediately. TOTALLY. It makes COMPLETE SENSE that these 2 Apostles were the linchpin of the “smaller group” that let them punch up to the blob. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/92 "2020-04-08T20:48:32Z")
> [@CCP\_Rise](#): > > **PVE and the resist change** > > Many of you are concerned about high end PVE viability under the resist module nerf. This was one of our biggest hesitations around this change as well so we will be watching closely. Our expectation is that in almost all situations some fitting adjustments will be needed and completion speeds may go down slightly if damage or speed has to be sacrificed. If situations arise where specific content becomes prohibitively difficult we will make adjustments to that content to bring it back in line. I wonder why you don’t replace this resistance reduction with an increase to stacking penalties. This will allow at least the first module to give 100%, but all others a increased reduction. And yes i think it should include other modules as it currently works, as it will force players to rethink old elite fits, and come up with more imaginative fits. It would in most cases it will kill the 3+ module stack, and provide that same results as the resistance reduction if players do multi-stacking. The question is what is the goal of the resistance reduction? Stopping multi-stacking resistance tanking or just screw resistance tanking into the ground? ---
**Author:** ![Devlin\_Shardo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/devlin_shardo/32/386167_2.png) [@Devlin\_Shardo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Devlin_Shardo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/94 "2020-04-08T20:49:38Z")
They stated it in the first dev blog “lower Capital survivability” ---
**Author:** ![Killian\_O\_Carroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/killian_o_carroll/32/194659_2.png) [@Killian\_O\_Carroll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Killian_O_Carroll)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/95 "2020-04-08T20:49:45Z")
Not people in EVE. When Scoots talks about trash, he’s just projecting. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/96 "2020-04-08T20:49:48Z")
> [@CCP\_Rise](#): > > Our expectation is that in almost all situations some fitting adjustments will be needed and completion speeds may go down slightly if damage or speed has to be sacrificed. “slightly”. My loki for superior sleeper cache would 41% of its EHP/s. Other fits I have would lose more than 50% EHP/s. That’s not a “slight” difference in completion time. It’s a difference between being able to use it, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_altol/32/173470_2.png) [@Nate\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Altol)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061/97 "2020-04-08T20:53:10Z")
Those two apostles literally were the linch pin… like what? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/surgical-strike-update-follow-up/231061.md?page=5)