# Suspect/criminal timer and player owned stations **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836 "2022-02-07T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/205 "2022-02-14T08:29:37Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I find that my ability to solo gank is irrelevant. Your argument seems to exist because somehow an anti-ganker can’t have 26 accounts as I do. He does but because he has to fund them he spends very little time doing AG. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > No, I gave all my liquid and assets away sometime in 2019 before I had these accounts. Just proves how much ISK you make ganking. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Of course it is probably better to get the main loot. I’m telling you that bare minimum… just being a leech around a gank fleet you can afford the ships you need. Not enough to fund the required accounts to be effective by having the required accounts to cheaply nuke the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/206 "2022-02-14T08:31:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Not enough to fund the required accounts to be effective I guess you should find a new hobby. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/207 "2022-02-14T08:38:28Z")
That’s pretty savage. I’m kind of surprised, though. Dracvlad bragged about IRL luxuries on multiple occasions, like eating oysters and drinking champagne. Yet paying for a few MMO subs is the straw that breaks the camel’s back? Kind of weird for someone in a habit of bragging about being successful, and pushing retirement age, to be complaining about “funding” in a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/208 "2022-02-14T08:39:53Z")
I’m surprised he’s being playing so long, and hasn’t figured out how to survive in the galaxy. I kinda feel sorry for the little guy, perhaps I will let him join my Princess Aiko Hold My Hand newbro corporation if he asks nicely and pays the entry fee. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/209 "2022-02-14T08:41:07Z")
Wow, I’m jealous. You wouldn’t even let _me_ join that corp. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/210 "2022-02-14T08:42:57Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Just proves how much ISK you make ganking. No I did so because I thought I could quit playing this game. I’ve been bamboozled 3-4 times now. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Not enough to fund the required accounts to be effective by having the required accounts to cheaply nuke the loot. Then don’t make it your primary activity? Maybe you find out how to passively fund the accounts? - PI - Reactions - Production - Trading - Hauling Those are easy ones… Why do I feel like I’m communicating with a brand new player? It cost me around 5b a month to keep my accounts Omega. I run them as SP farms and the 5b note is what I end up paying out of pocket. An experienced player with 26 accounts ought to have zero issue generating 5b ISK a month through various means… either actively or passively. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/211 "2022-02-14T08:44:57Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Then don’t make it your primary activity? Maybe you find out how to passively fund the accounts? > > - PI > - Reactions > - Production > - Trading > - Hauling > > Those are easy ones… Why do I feel like I’m communicating with a brand new player? > > It cost me around 5b a month to keep my accounts Omega. I run them as SP farms and the 5b note is what I end up paying out of pocket. > > An experienced player with 26 accounts ought to have zero issue generating 5b ISK a month through various means… either actively or passively. You sound like a noob yourself because if I do that, how the hell do I have time or inclination to AG? For a start reactions require structures and structures need to be protected, hauling takes a lot of time. Reactions, mining moon ore takes effort and time. You are just ganking and SP extracting, I cannot do AG and SP extraction. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/212 "2022-02-14T08:54:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You sound like a noob yourself because if I do that, how the hell do I have time or inclination to AG? For a start reactions require structures and structures need to be protected, hauling takes a lot of time. Reactions, mining moon ore takes effort and time. I dunno dude. I find time to do it and gank as much as I do. You’ll have to figure all that out. Me personally I’m a social creature that works with others to benefit mutually. So I don’t have to worry about some of these things as I would if I were a solo player. Look at most established veterans that have setup their isk generators they rely on monthly. Plenty manage to find time for their primary activity. For most I know isk is a means to an end… some gankers I know will spend some time running sites in C5s. Lots of pvp groups require you to be self sufficient and have a way to afford expensive doctrines and capitals. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are just ganking and SP extracting, I cannot do AG and SP extraction. No I’m not. I’ve told you that ganking is not how I afford my 5b /month upkeep cost to continue extracting. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/213 "2022-02-14T08:54:38Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You sound like a noob yourself because if I do that, how the hell do I have time or inclination to AG? For a start reactions require structures and structures need to be protected, hauling takes a lot of time. 🤔 🙄 😉 Welcome to EvE! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/214 "2022-02-14T09:01:36Z")
Been there done it in some big alliances, dropped dreads too. I am well aware of how much I can make doing various activities, however I also know that they become draws to focus on and defend those activities so AG becomes very secondary. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > No I’m not. I’ve told you that ganking is not how I afford my 5b /month upkeep cost to continue extracting. SP extraction and ganking, and you gank whenever you want with no other distractions. I have to do things which I have to run and defend and do some of which take time and need me to be there. So in the end, AG becomes very secondary indeed which is why you saw me do AG once in two weeks. Well you did not see but Kusion did. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/215 "2022-02-14T09:05:13Z")
I want to do whatever I want, the way I want to do it, and FREE EASY ISK should just fall from the sky, and it’s not fair that other people are having fun and making isk while I just sulk in the forums and cry endlessly without profit. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/216 "2022-02-14T09:07:35Z")
To be fair, you can’t really relate to Dracvlad’s plight. If you need a load of money, you can simply turn on your OnlyFans for a few hours. This isn’t something that he can do, however. Can you imagine what kind of reaction people would have if he wore a virgin-killer sweater on stream? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/217 "2022-02-14T09:07:57Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > SP extraction and ganking, and you gank whenever you want with no other distractions. I have to do things which I have to run and defend and do some of which take time and need me to be there. So in the end, AG becomes very secondary indeed which is why you saw me do AG once in two weeks. I’m speaking English right? Ganking is not the only activity I partake in. It’s one of them. Why are you so sure of yourself on this one? No distractions for me? Ok. The fact remains that an individual can fund their account and the activity to anti-gank, even passively if they choose. I’m proof of this passive funding and my cost to operate is likely 50x what it cost for you or any other anti-ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/218 "2022-02-14T09:09:59Z")
I WANT FREE EASY ISK!!! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/219 "2022-02-14T09:10:46Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I’m speaking English right? Ganking is not the only activity I partake in. It’s one of them. Why are you so sure of yourself on this one? No distractions for me? Ok. That is what you said, you have not talked about any other activity to fund yourself apart from SP farming and of course ganking, the other would be war dec activity which meshes in with your ganking. Your distractions and requirements in terms of activity is no where near what an AG has to do. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > The fact remains that an individual can fund their account and the activity to anti-gank, even passively if they choose. Incorrect, passive is not really an option. > [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I’m proof of this passive funding and my cost to operate is likely 50x what it cost for you or any other anti-ganker. You have not proved anything. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/220 "2022-02-14T09:14:01Z")
I don’t want to do activities that are intended to make isk. I just want to dedicate myself to stopping other people from doing activities, and I want to be handsomely rewarded for my efforts to deny others the ability to engage in gameplay! ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/221 "2022-02-14T09:16:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Incorrect, passive is not really an option. Correct. I fund my accounts through a passive activity. I call it passive but a few hours total per month is the time I invest. Compared to “active” activities like ratting or abyssals, this is “passive”. Passive is an option because it’s how I do it. I saw the option and I said, “hey this is a good option”. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/222 "2022-02-14T09:17:25Z")
I can agree that SP extraction to fund multiple accounts is pretty naff. Though from the contacts that I have they all told me that it only funds a part of the account cost atm, and that they have to add additional income. So I think you are not being honest even here. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/223 "2022-02-14T09:18:46Z")
No, not SP farming. SP farming typically isn’t profitable. Unless you’re catching sales or spending $ on a subscription just to extract the SP… lol ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/224 "2022-02-14T09:19:43Z")
Then we agree here, so ganking funds that additional requirement. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=12)