# Suspect/criminal timer and player owned stations **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836 "2022-02-07T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/225 "2022-02-14T09:20:58Z")
Maybe Dracvlad should start ganking, in order to fund his antiganking? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/226 "2022-02-14T09:22:48Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Then we agree here, so ganking funds that additional requirement. No. You’re intentionally (I hope) being argumentative and dense. I afford my accounts through a passive activity. It is not ganking and it is not SP farming. Ganking is what allows me to buy injectors for any skills I want, to expand my operation, to horde, and to buy stuff like ships / modules. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/227 "2022-02-14T09:24:16Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Maybe Dracvlad should start ganking, in order to fund his antiganking? See that’s an easy solution for him but that requires him to minimize his browser and make it to the character selection screen. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/228 "2022-02-14T09:25:34Z")
I’d suggest for Dracvlad to try mercenary work, as that can pay a lot, but that would require fighting other players who aren’t about to die to CONCORD, so I’m not sure that would work well for him. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/229 "2022-02-14T09:34:05Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Ganking is what allows me to buy injectors for any skills I want, to expand my operation, to horde, and to buy stuff like ships / modules. And we are back to square one, AG does not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/230 "2022-02-14T09:43:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > And we are back to square one, AG does not do that. AG doesn’t need to provide those things though. Those aren’t a requirement for you to be able to have the characters / ships you need for ganking wrecks. ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/231 "2022-02-14T09:58:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > LOL, it was ignored for years until we started ganking wrecks and then gankers took it over and complained and it got changed. So, let me get this straight: You complain and nothing changes. We complain and the devs rush to make the necessary changes. Maybe that should tell you something about where the developers stand on the matter and your place here. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/232 "2022-02-14T10:03:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Just proves how much ISK you make ganking. And? Piracy done right has always brought in teh dough. CCP has made ganking the only viable route left. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are just ganking and SP extracting, I cannot do AG and SP extraction. Wut, yes you can. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > SP extraction and ganking, and you gank whenever you want with no other distractions. I have to do things which I have to run and defend and do some of which take time and need me to be there. So in the end, AG becomes very secondary indeed which is why you saw me do AG once in two weeks. > > Well you did not see but Kusion did. Sure you did buddy. I find it funny you quafe ride Kusion so hard but not Aiko? I wonder why that could be? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/233 "2022-02-14T10:10:57Z")
Actually that case is rather amusing because CCP Fozzie realised that he had been had by Endie (the CEO of the main Goon/Miniluv ganking corp at the time) who had taken up the case of wreck EHP. Because of that CCP Fozzie gave the DCU bonus to freighters. You can take what you want from that, but because he did that and mentioned balance in terms of gankers you can see what it was. But it took away emergent game play on the side of AG and replaced it with more tank for the target ships. Boring!!! And the gankers had not been able to stop us easily, they had to counter and found it difficult as we could come in with small fast ships and do it and it was affordable. So if you step back further and think about it then yeah, ever since that happened I took the view that CCP was on the side of gankers which is what makes AG even more of a pain. So even more reason not to AG, there is a reason why almost all the old guard AG no longer play and those that left are no longer doing AG. Then we had the RR change which makes AG fleets on gate pointless which was one part of the fun for many. It is what it is. Though as ganking seems to be exploding in terms of people doing it, I wonder how long CCP will let this continue. As I am currently engrossed in my so called passive income generation, I have no time to AG along with those with me. For example the previous Saturday was the first time I had seen my multi-boxing friend do any AG for months. And I should add that I was doing some AG in Uedama during my long move op to put stuff in my new hisec HQ, but after that have barely done anything. An observation, I get the impression that Faylee is getting bored again… ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/234 "2022-02-14T10:18:06Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > An observation, I get the impression that Faylee is getting bored again… Why do you think I’m getting bored? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/235 "2022-02-14T10:19:39Z")
You could be using other characters, but the main two are not on many ganks over the last week. But it was a casual glance at your activity, so sorry if I am mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/236 "2022-02-14T10:20:12Z")
I didn’t read your novel, but I am amazed you devoted so much of your time writing it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/237 "2022-02-14T10:20:38Z")
So childish. Blind deaf and dumb… (Wow that was a fun error…) Still I rather like reminding people of that event as it really makes the throw away line adapt or die rather pathetic when used by gankers. More like don’t adapt and whine to CCP when AG have a level playing field. ROFL ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/238 "2022-02-14T10:21:14Z")
I just spun up 20 new gankers. I am also in the middle of a shift rotation working graveyards. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/239 "2022-02-14T10:22:15Z")
Ouch, ok then. So it is the new gankers who have all the glory then. At some point when I can be bothered I will work out who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/241 "2022-02-14T13:31:09Z")
Just looking at my chat transcripts, I was at Dodixie last night when a bunch of Ivy League people booted RIOT out of the system. Was all quite amusing. We need more of that. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/242 "2022-02-14T13:37:38Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When I fight in Eve I try to destroy or dominate my opponent, I want them to feel like they have no chance and give up, if that is not possible I will avoid that combat until I am in the position to do so. So, you have been avoiding combat since you started playing the game. When will you finally be “in the position to do so”? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/243 "2022-02-14T13:55:21Z")
yada yada yada. I have more kills and losses than you. As for what you quoted I am merely explaining my base approach to PvP, which is not to rush in like a headless chicken and to think things through, although I do take risks or a punt on things, because it can be fun. But I find it really amusing that a self-declared war deccer (who has no kills since 2014) wants me to war dec them, it is hilarious…, but also shows inherent weakness in everything they say. The person challenging me has not killed anything since 2014, just so you understand that, if you can of course. I have done several war decs, but all with real objectives in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_awesum_brutha/32/387010_2.png) [@Your\_Awesum\_Brutha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Awesum_Brutha)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/244 "2022-02-14T14:58:54Z")
You have never killed anything ever. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/245 "2022-02-14T17:17:04Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > We need more of that. So go do “more of that” then? They usually have dozens of wars up at any given time. Why not go join some of them, and enforce your personal take on the law and propriety on them? Or is this just more of the “won’t someone come and save us?” whining for which carebears are so well-known? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have more kills and losses than you. How many kills if we subtract all of the ones where CONCORD killed the target, and if we subtract any where you were part of a 50+ gang dog-piling on someone because the FC decided that the fleet was strong enough to take them? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > But I find it really amusing that a self-declared war deccer (who has no kills since 2014) wants me to war dec them, it is hilarious… It’s a _challenge,_ Dracvlad. You understand how challenges work, right? You can accept them or you can decline, but if you choose the latter, you lose the right to talk ■■■■ like you’re doing right now, and you apparently never got the memo. That’s why everyone thinks you’re a joke now. You’re still talking smack even after wussing out, like the kid at the playground who takes shots with the water gun while hiding behind their mother’s legs. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have done several war decs, but all with real objectives in mind. That’s why I _literally_ offered you **10 billion ISK** if you’re successful. Is that not enough “objective” for you? Of course it is. I bet that sum would by itself eclipse the total amount of money you’ve made from PvP over your entire EVE career. You’re just wussing out, while still opting to trash-talk other players like you’re having an integrity fire sale. #Sad! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=13)