# Suspect/criminal timer and player owned stations **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836 "2022-02-07T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/326 "2022-02-15T21:47:20Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > It’s so easy … With **ease**. And **highly profitable**. Questions: 1. If ganking is profitable and easy, then why don’t you do it? Why don’t more people jump on the ganking gravy train and make FREE EASY ISK? Even if you don’t want to gank, you can just gank passively while AFK, and use the money to fund something else, right? It’s super easy, right??? Right??? 2. On the other hand, if ganking is not profitable, then doesn’t this make it not easy, because it requires elite skill to profit? Sure, the gank itself is technically ‘easy’, since all you have to do is click SHOOT - but there must be some skill behind doing it efficiently and profitably? Right?? 3. Is it possible that you are just crying a bit hard, like an old man who yells at the television whenever his favourite allstar fails to hit an “easy” ball, and ganking is actually like anything else in life - easy in theory for an armchair knowitall, but difficult in practice? I think that’s right, right? ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/327 "2022-02-15T21:54:42Z")
I’m beginning to question your reading comprehension abilities ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/328 "2022-02-15T21:57:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Also you appear to be whining… Really? Aren’t you the one asking the devs to change game mechanics ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/329 "2022-02-15T21:57:51Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If ganking is profitable and easy, then why don’t you do it? Why don’t more people jump on the ganking gravy train and make FREE EASY ISK? It’s super easy, right??? Right??? Can I take a stab at this one? I think it’s because he, as an impartial outside observer who doesn’t have anything against ganking, and in fact has plenty of experience with ganking (but just wants it to be balanced a bit more so that it’s not so one-sided), doesn’t want to engage in such a sociopathic activity because he’s not a dumb, lazy, complaining, greedy, whiny, pathetic ganker who hates player interaction and just wants to easy-mode farm ISK by hitting F1 all day. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/330 "2022-02-15T21:58:39Z")
Oh, so he is voluntarily playing EvE with a handicap? It’s like playing PubG or Fortnite, but you refuse to pick up any weapons, because that would make the game way too easy! IN FACT, there are many other activities in PubG and Fortnite which are a lot more fun and engaging than the stale ganking mechanics. For example, you can decorate a house, or go for a walk down by the lake. Not everything has to be about griefing!!! ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/331 "2022-02-15T22:04:39Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > and my focus has always been balance. For balance to be needed, it should first be unbalanced. Yet, you have offered no compelling evidence or objective criteria by which to determine that. You simply “feel” that it’s unbalanced. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/332 "2022-02-15T22:05:32Z")
Well, it would be a lot more balanced if Dracvlad could earn a profit by stopping ganks without actually having to log in. A nice passive income for AFK antigankers would really even things out. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/333 "2022-02-15T22:07:53Z")
You seem to like throwing the F1 comment around, but you can’t get more F1 than mass activating gankers… > [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](#): > > Aren’t you the one asking the devs to change game mechanics ? Tethering was applied to the game… I think that’s all I have to say. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/334 "2022-02-15T22:08:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Tethering You can wardec structures that offer tethering to gankers. Go ahead! Every single structure owner who offers tether access to gankers is a structure owner who is voluntarily choosing to allow gankers to tether in Highsec. It’s their structure, and that’s their choice. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/335 "2022-02-15T22:11:11Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Oh, so he is voluntarily playing EvE with a handicap? > > It’s like playing PubG or Fortnite, but you refuse to pick up any weapons, because that would make the game way too easy! > > IN FACT, there are many other activities in PubG and Fortnite which are a lot more fun and engaging than the stale ganking mechanics. For example, you can decorate a house, or go for a walk down by the lake. Not everything has to be about griefing!!! There are too many weapon users in PUBG and Fortnite who just want to farm free kills against unarmed players without any consequences. It shouldn’t be possible for these **dumb, lazy, complaining, greedy, whiny, pathetic shooters who hate player interaction** to hide in the safety of buildings, sniping at new players running through the open fields with nothing but a sack of some canned tuna and a few bandages. Mind you, he’s an impartial observer, and has nothing against weapons and weapon users in these games. He just wants the games to be balanced a bit better to not give these nasty griefers easy ganking gameplay that they don’t deserve. Besides, if they’re such amazing MLG 360-no-scope-headshot-420-every-day pro gamers, they shouldn’t have any issue agreeing to a nerf that makes them unable to camp inside apartments, which would give other players the opportunity to run up to them in the open to hit them with a shovel. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/336 "2022-02-15T22:34:02Z")
Ah, so you are suggesting that PvP griefers should not be able to enter the houses, and they should have to remain outside in order to provide a little balance. That sounds reasonable! ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/337 "2022-02-15T22:34:36Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Tethering was applied to the game… That’s right! The devs make changes that benefit us without us even asking 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/338 "2022-02-15T22:36:11Z")
Tethering was added to the entirety of the game, however. What you are asking here is for the devs to exempt high sec of game-wide changes to suit your “play style”… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/339 "2022-02-15T22:36:24Z")
No, **he** is suggesting that. Because I am a **dumb, lazy, complaining, greedy, whiny, pathetic griefer who hates player interaction,** all _ **I** _ want to do is sit on top of a roof and shoot at innocent FPS battle royale video game scavengers with my DMR. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/340 "2022-02-15T22:37:08Z")
Oh, well I guess you have conceded the MORAL HIGH GROUND. ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/341 "2022-02-15T22:37:25Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You seem to like throwing the F1 comment around I mentioned it ONCE and I implied you weren’t even an F1 monkey ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/342 "2022-02-15T22:50:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Tethering was applied to the game… So why not be the elite war deccer you are and burn those structures? ---
**Author:** ![Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shadow_cyrilus/32/260620_2.png) [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shadow_Cyrilus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/343 "2022-02-15T22:57:13Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > So why not be the elite war deccer you are and burn those structures? He would need to undock for that ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/344 "2022-02-15T22:59:42Z")
> [@Shadow\_Cyrilus](#): > > He would need to undock for that This is true haha. I’ve only seen him undocked once. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/345 "2022-02-15T22:59:49Z")
Because those players (very unfairly) organized themselves in a group, which made them _virtually invincible,_ and despite something like 95% of the game’s population absolutely _despising_ ganking and gankers, he can’t also organize just a tiny fraction of them as a group to fight back against the griefers, which is _extremely unfair_ and is totally the game’s fault because of its deficient design. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=18)