# Suspect/criminal timer and player owned stations **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836 "2022-02-07T03:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/406 "2022-03-21T08:43:11Z")
Ah so you’re just hypocrites. Got it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/407 "2022-03-21T08:48:00Z")
How so , I’m not basing my actions on concord rules , if I was then yes I would be but they are my rules I mean our rules , take part in criminal activity and you are a target , simple ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/408 "2022-03-21T08:56:40Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > take part in criminal activity and you are a target Your corp has taken part in criminal activity. Thereby your own words, you must also target them too. What do you not understand? I get you’re just a line member and maybe you don’t understand your own RP doctrine? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/409 "2022-03-21T10:44:30Z")
Are the gankers so black and white that they are arguing that anyone shooting gankers has to follow CONCORD, next thing they will be telling us that we cannot shoot gankers until they have gone criminal, ROFL… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/410 "2022-03-21T14:31:56Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Aiko and her monsters had chosen her way , to throw away human decency and kill anyone anywhere. I find this accusation to be absurd. Aiko lives by a code and she targets, almost exclusively, the craven and greedy that seek to subvert the essence of what Eve, as a game, represents. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/411 "2022-03-21T14:54:17Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Your corp has taken part in criminal activity. As far as I’m concerned, if anyone buys and displays a mining permit…they are effectively _supporting_ the activity of criminal pirates every bit as much as if they were ganking. Sponsors of piracy should rightly be on the AG hit list…as they fully have the option of telling Safety to ‘stuff your permits’, but they don’t. You are with the resistance, or you are against it. Decide ! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/412 "2022-03-21T15:00:07Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > I find this accusation to be absurd. Aiko lives by a code and she targets, almost exclusively, the craven and greedy that seek to subvert the essence of what Eve, as a game, represents. It’s her code not anyone else , every player makes their own story in eve we are free to do as we please Just because our equivalent of the East India Trade Company hates us in empire space being free from their yoke , they send Aiko the pirate princesses to unleash chaos. Which I may add is also eve and what’s it’s about , as a result we are here writing this and reading this , all eve and as dark as any game gets. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/413 "2022-03-21T15:01:27Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Aiko lives by a code and she targets, almost exclusively, the craven and greedy that seek to subvert the essence of what Eve, as a game, represents. If Aiko was living on wild honey and locusts in a cave somewhere I might accept that…but she’s just another example of the absurdly wealthy and powerful lecturing to us about the evils of greed and power. The ‘code’ is sheer hypocrisy. Long live the resistance ! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/414 "2022-03-21T15:14:09Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > As far as I’m concerned, if anyone buys and displays a mining permit…they are effectively _supporting_ the activity of criminal pirates every bit as much as if they were ganking. I thought like that at one point but as they use fear and intimidation to sell the permits , I can’t kill permit holders unless there is other proof of support Ass licking is proof ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/415 "2022-03-21T15:48:00Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I thought like that at one point but as they use fear and intimidation to sell the permits , I can’t kill permit holders unless there is other proof of support But I don’t want to be helping people who are making zero effort to help themselves. The resistance relies on people actually resisting. Plus…the entire ‘permits’ thing is a great potential scam for Safety mining themselves whilst pretending to be oppressed miners. That ‘code compliant miner’ that always hangs about at the Sivala gate in an Orca and is University of Caille rather than Safety…I’m betting is actually a loot ship. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/416 "2022-03-21T16:09:54Z")
Imagine if AG ganked that Orca. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/417 "2022-03-21T16:17:03Z")
The whole thing about “going after ganker supporters” is absolute rubbish though, because AGs don’t actually _do_ that. I’ve sent Aiko countless billions, and I’ve never had NEPF show up at my station and tell me to come out with my hands up. It’s all just talk. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/418 "2022-03-21T16:55:15Z")
Back in my day, we called people like this poseurs. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/419 "2022-03-21T17:22:12Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I thought like that at one point but as they use fear and intimidation to sell the permits , I can’t kill permit holders unless there is other proof of support > > Ass licking is proof I know, that was written by Astevon of all people who is a kindly soul, so I am not sure what it is all about, still there is a history there which I will detail below in reply to Destiny. > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Imagine if AG ganked that Orca. 🤭 You can imagine all you want, I have explained numerous times why AG don’t gank much above the odd bumper and of course many scouts. So imagine away… > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The whole thing about “going after ganker supporters” is absolute rubbish though, because AGs don’t actually _do_ that. I’ve sent Aiko countless billions, and I’ve never had NEPF show up at my station and tell me to come out with my hands up. > > It’s all just talk. You are not very observant are you, I am told that this was based around Otela, a long time before it became a Trig system and they did bump and some even ganked CODE compliant miners. I will emphasise that this happened long before I started talking to the AG leadership in Astral by the way. Otela was the only ice system in Caldari space that was not controlled by gankers as such and there was a reason for that. You are saying that this never happened and I was told by older AG that it did, so what. Destiny does not believe them, well whatever, I am sure that they will be entirely not bothered by that. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/421 "2022-03-21T18:38:05Z")
So detailing information about the very strong community in Otela with the old AG group as it’s backbone makes me a > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > shitbag bigot homophobe. One learns something odd everyday in the Eve forums… I am going to flag your post because it is insulting and spam. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/422 "2022-03-21T19:34:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Please stop talking to me? You first. And… 🅲🅰🅻🅼 🅳🅾🆆🅽 🅶🅰🅽🅺🅴🆁!!! ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/423 "2022-03-21T19:47:26Z")
> [@Kate\_Amaski](#): > > you should not be able to tether or dock at any structure if you are suspect criminal I agree 100% This gives me a great idea!!! * * * ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/424 "2022-03-21T20:30:43Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > This gives me a great idea!!! Does it involve making another whine thread to beg CCP to change game mechanics so that the game becomes safer for PvE farmers, instead of logging into the game and actually doing something about your enemies using the numerous methods available to you? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/425 "2022-03-21T20:47:23Z")
These guys don’t really want CCP to change the mechanics. Firstly, the gankers would adapt and overcome, as they have for the past decade. Secondly, these griping heads mostly just want to complain about how unfair everything is - so tilting things even more in their favor just makes the whining more difficult, or at least more difficult to make it seem reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836/426 "2022-03-21T21:00:36Z")
Many of them have wised up and started asking for changes that are impossible to adapt to, e.g. not being able to dock _anywhere,_ criminal flag active 100% of the time instead of just when performing criminal acts, etc. Basically to make ganking possible in name only and not from any practical consideration. Kind of like sending a single player to complete a raid instance. Nothing’s _technically_ stopping them from trying it, or even hypothetically _completing_ it, but, _you know._ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/suspect-criminal-timer-and-player-owned-stations/348836.md?page=22)