# Switch the names for Javelin and Spike ammo **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 13, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816 "2018-03-13T13:48:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/1 "2018-03-13T13:48:09Z")
Why is Javelin the close range one and Spike is the long range one? It makes zero sense. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/2 "2018-03-13T13:50:57Z")
What about everyone who’s gotten used to them? ---
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/3 "2018-03-13T13:51:54Z")
Really? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/4 "2018-03-13T13:59:16Z")
Depends on what makes sense for you. The Israeli Spike missile has a range of up to 25km (see [Spike NLOS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile)#Spike_NLOS)) whereas the US-American Javelin missile has a range of just under 5km (see [FGM-148](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin)). Hope this helps, and I’m pretty sure it has very little to do with EVE’s hybrid railgun ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/5 "2018-03-13T14:05:36Z")
Yes really! It’s been like that for years and makes sense for everyone else. Why change it? Cause it makes no sense to you? Do you really have to be told that the world doesn’t revolve around you? ---
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/6 "2018-03-13T14:55:38Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Do you really have to be told that the world doesn’t revolve around you? Cmon dude did you really have to go there? > [@Whitehound](#): > > The Israeli Spike missile has a range of up to 25km (Spike NLOS) where as the US-american Javelin missile has a range of just under 5km (FGM-148). A fair point, however the javelin missiles in eve are the long range ones. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/7 "2018-03-13T15:14:04Z")
Don’t be so ignorant then. Players have been using the ammo, named as it is, for years. Probably over a decade. The name itself doesn’t matter so much. Why change what everyone has gotten used to because it doesn’t suit you? ---
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/8 "2018-03-13T15:16:15Z")
I thought this was the area to discuss player features and ideas? My apologies. I didn’t think that I’d be met with disrespect. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/9 "2018-03-13T15:25:27Z")
Typical! Didn’t occur to you to try and answer my question? You talk about disrespect. Grow up a little. Look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Montage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_montage/32/425678_2.png) [@Eternal\_Montage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Montage)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/10 "2018-03-13T15:36:58Z")
Please calm down. I’ve shown you nothing but respect in the face of pure acrimony. This part of the forum is where players have friendly discussions about ideas for changes and new features. Since you’ve entered the conversation you have: Claimed that I think the world revolves around me > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Do you really have to be told that the world doesn’t revolve around you? Called me ignorant > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Don’t be so ignorant then. and deflected > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Grow up a little. Look in the mirror. And all I’ve done is say that you’re being disrespectful. Please relax. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/11 "2018-03-13T15:48:58Z")
You still haven’t addressed my first post other than 'really?' Which is disrespectful. Not something i usually moan about but you’re more interested in flinging ■■■■ than your idea. For the 4th time: Why change something thats been established for years and everyone is familiar with to suit your personal preference? ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/12 "2018-03-13T16:21:41Z")
Well I asked myself the same question. Now because you made a thread about it I dig it deper and came to this conclusion: javelin - short range thrown weapon, range depended on how much strenght person has. spike - like crossbow bolt, a projectile shot by mechanical device and thus better range. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/13 "2018-03-13T22:47:18Z")
> [@Eternal\_Montage](#): > > Why is Javelin the close range one and Spike is the long range one? It makes zero sense. Javelin is a thrown weapon and it’s range is based on your physical arm. Spike is a very angry dog that is willing to run any distance to eat you. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/14 "2018-03-13T22:53:40Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Why change what everyone has gotten used to because it doesn’t suit you? That’s what everyone said when windoze 8 came out… ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/15 "2018-03-15T11:42:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > The Israeli Spike missile has a range of up to 25km (see Spike NLOS) whereas the US-American Javelin missile has a range of just under 5km (see FGM-148). yet in game rather than irl the missiles use Javelin as the long range. This is a change i have wanted for years either change the name of Javelin Missiles or change the name of Javelin ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/16 "2018-03-15T12:18:20Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > yet in game rather than irl the missiles use Javelin as the long range. This is a change i have wanted for years either change the name of Javelin Missiles or change the name of Javelin ammo. Maybe this guy here can help: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/a/2ae264cbd0e1a2379b9dd5708c4dc46b84b86245.jpg) “Javelin is just a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.” ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/17 "2018-03-15T12:22:49Z")
cognates that’s great and all but its bad game design to have a word mean the opposite of itself like this. all it does is add to confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/18 "2018-03-15T12:39:19Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > cognates that’s great and all but its bad game design to have a word mean the opposite of itself like this. all it does is add to confusion. No. It’s actually great when a game hasn’t been completely dumbed down, but you have to learn so many little details about it. It lets players set each other apart over what they know about a game. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/19 "2018-03-15T12:44:02Z")
there is a difference between being complex/having depth and being needlessly confusing I mean by your logic why don’t we just give everything the same name. it would separate the players who could figure out what things actually were from those who couldn’t ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816/20 "2018-03-15T12:47:09Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > there is a difference between being complex/having depth and being needlessly confusing > > I mean by your logic why don’t we just give everything the same name. it would separate the players who could figure out what things actually were from those who couldn’t See, that’s where you’re wrong. The ammo can be distinguished by it’s type. You only have to look at it to see that one is a missile and the other is a hybrid charge. Besides, the Javline hybrid charge isn’t just short-range. It is a high-DPS thermal/kinetic charge and you’ll also have to pay close attention to the angular velocity of your target not to fall under your railgun’s tracking speed. Whereas the missile isn’t just one missile but four and for each damage type, and with a completely different damage calculation behind it. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/switch-the-names-for-javelin-and-spike-ammo/62816.md?page=2)