# T1 Frig vs Enyo Puzzle **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [February 19, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737 "2020-02-19T06:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/22 "2020-02-20T04:35:53Z")
Bring a crucifier, tracking disrupt him down to zero, neut him, then pound him until his tank fails. It might work. If I am lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/23 "2020-02-20T04:37:42Z")
Kobayashi Maru Eve players will always cheat the test… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/24 "2020-02-20T04:38:49Z")
😊 ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/25 "2020-02-20T04:40:19Z")
I can’t vouch for that but it sounds like a possibility! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/26 "2020-02-20T05:41:26Z")
> [@Cattegirn](#): > > There are webs that go beyond 10km and blaster charges that can hit out further, etc. First off, webs don’t matter. You have better range control since the Enyo has no prop mod. Second, no there are no blaster charges that can hit out farther. Neutron Blasters with Null S on the Enyo is the farthest out they can hit. You may get slightly more range with rigs, but that can be easily overcome by using faction Rockets instead of Rage rockets. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/27 "2020-02-20T05:59:07Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Bring a crucifier, tracking disrupt him down to zero, neut him, then pound him until his tank fails. It might work. If I am lucky. The crucifier doesn’t have a utility high slot, so the neut won’t work. At least with lasers you won’t run out of ammo before the fight is over. ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/28 "2020-02-20T08:02:42Z")
I don’t doubt your numbers so much, but that’s a very very thin line you’re surfing. Maybe that’s the way it has to be? (In which case, not so much! lol!) Is there a better way? ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/29 "2020-02-20T08:05:56Z")
Good call there. I dunno, the Navy Issue works in concept with all this but breaks the budget probably. I’m less concerned with the ISK involved and more just was setting that as a limit so that it would be challenging. IF, a 20m or less T1 Frigate can do this, that’s what I’m interested in. I know anyone can spend more etc. Personally I don’t think the Crucifier or any variant of it is the right answer. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/30 "2020-02-20T08:56:08Z")
> [@Cattegirn](#): > > I don’t doubt your numbers so much, but that’s a very very thin line you’re surfing Take the non-prop mod speed of an enyo and divide that in half. There’s your threat. It’s nonexistent. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/31 "2020-02-20T12:14:53Z")
What if it is a railgun enyo? And with Cap batteries in mids. Cant neut can’t outrange, cant outdps in a t1 frigate… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/32 "2020-02-20T15:12:00Z")
That is why I would try tracking disruption. It would be a big gamble, but it would work against the Enyo no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/33 "2020-02-21T01:17:24Z")
I like a bit of wiggle room for pilot error. I’ve theorycrafted things that would work for this or that, but you need to fly perfectly. Fits that have a bit more wiggle room for pilot error might not be that much of a factor in this specific case. (I don’t know.) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/34 "2020-02-21T01:20:16Z")
> [@Cattegirn](#): > > but you need to fly perfectly This is wrong. You don’t need to fly perfectly. Like I said before, you have plenty of range control against a no-prop mod Enyo. Especially since you out range him with faction rockets. > [@Cattegirn](#): > > wiggle room for pilot error might not be that much of a factor in this specific case. (I don’t know.) The only error that can occur is sitting still for a prolonged period of time while the enyo slowly approaches you at roughly 250m/s. ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/35 "2020-02-21T01:35:42Z")
Alright, hopefully I can test this out at some point soon. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/36 "2020-02-21T11:18:03Z")
Poor dps, but you were right about the range control. Crucifier Navy Issue offers more DPS for same. Neither are any good. Also tried a Navy Hookbill variant of your theory. Same comments. Maybe that’s the best that can be done given the budget. ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/37 "2020-02-21T11:28:02Z")
Say we can stretch the budget a bit - what’s the minimum between 20m and the whole Damavik deal? ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/38 "2020-02-21T15:09:45Z")
If you stretched to 40M I would go with a Sentinel. TDs and Neuts are the logical counters to the Enyo. Given time you will destroy it. If you stretched ship classes you could get into T1 cruisers like RLM Caracal for around 25M. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/39 "2020-02-21T22:31:20Z")
anything with a td and a web. ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/40 "2020-02-22T04:55:50Z")
To win or to tie? ---
**Author:** ![Cattegirn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cattegirn/32/433202_2.png) [@Cattegirn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cattegirn)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737/41 "2020-02-22T04:58:27Z")
Seems in that case the Enyo could have a prop mod and it wouldn’t matter. Those ships can be made faster easily. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t1-frig-vs-enyo-puzzle/220737.md?page=3)