# T2 CRAPitals incoming. Did CCP learned previous lessons? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 8, 2023, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871 "2023-05-08T06:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/21 "2023-05-08T13:47:01Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > because the amount of isk and cap availability I saw just in goons was stunning. Goons arent whole EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/22 "2023-05-08T14:22:45Z")
If you’re dropping caps with Snuff near by you deserve to lose it. Especially now a few of there good old timer pilots have returned. LOW SEC WILL BURN xD ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/23 "2023-05-08T14:29:47Z")
I would like to see Snuff being out-escalated once and lose… IF the new caps would provide the possibility to somehow surprise cut an escalation chain, this would be nice … as then you can’t rely on the assumption, whatever they bring, I’m able to bring bigger and more. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/24 "2023-05-08T18:30:59Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > IF the new caps would provide the possibility to somehow surprise cut an escalation chain … then Snuff would hold them back in Wing 3, in case somebody tried to counterdrop 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/25 "2023-05-08T20:08:51Z")
Reasons to buy plex for the top buyers. End of story. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/26 "2023-05-08T21:03:17Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > in case somebody tried to counterdrop ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/7/1/4718a0d11e60844bba31254781f6ffd09faa85d7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/27 "2023-05-09T00:44:32Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Goons arent whole EVE. I’m not sure what your point is. Your argument seemed to be that these new caps would be limited by how expensive they are and therefore balanced. If only the biggest blocs in the game can field thousands of them, isn’t that even less balanced? Arguing that a bunch of people don’t have money and will immediately get out escalated by rich groups in even more OP ships is not an argument in your favor. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/28 "2023-05-09T10:32:02Z")
Who are these rich Pvpers? 😏 I swear I know none of them 🤑 ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/29 "2023-05-09T12:13:37Z")
> [@Alice\_Saki](#): > > Who are these rich Pvpers? 😏 They live in Pochven. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoondave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragoondave/32/398222_2.png) [@Dragoondave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragoondave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/30 "2023-05-11T23:57:20Z")
> [@Alice\_Saki](#): > > Carriers need some love. I am with you 1000% ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/31 "2023-05-12T13:38:22Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/7/1/4718a0d11e60844bba31254781f6ffd09faa85d7.jpeg) This is why I love highsec and have been there for over a decade. Damn shame we lost the actual pvp and small gangs though back in 2017. (…oh and now its just multiboxers and a tax farm.) ---
**Author:** ![Terranid\_Meester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terranid_meester/32/425207_2.png) [@Terranid\_Meester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terranid_Meester)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/32 "2023-05-13T11:19:46Z")
CCP never learns anything except a new kind of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/33 "2023-05-15T16:18:03Z")
Focus on more accessible ships that are actually DIFFERENT. New bonuses, new roles, less complicated to build, that newer players can get into relatively quick. Stop weighting damn endgame content that most players will never touch. They ruined endgame content themselves, let them MinMax their way out of agreed upon wars and rental schemes. Focus on the players that can actually change things around, the un-indoctrinated. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/34 "2023-05-16T13:08:25Z")
I applaud you good sir. Well-spoken. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/35 "2023-05-31T22:58:06Z")
This will also include the T2 Orca ⛏ 🧊 😸 ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/37 "2023-06-03T16:01:34Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > So i’m not actually get the CCP point of adding T2 caps besides of dumping ISK/resources. > With current balance T2 caps will become just abother overpriced punch bag for everyone in the vicinity. They call them “Lance dreads” for some AoE damage purposes, as you may noticed. Let’s see how it will turn on to have some dreads with higher tank and less dps than current faction dreads. The worst part about this is that it will ruin current prices on TII subcap ships, like Orca’s Excavator drones ruined prices for all Augmented drones and last industry changes ruined prices on pirate and faction subcap ships. Past experience shows that it’s a bad idea to have the same required components in capital and subcapital industry. High demand Capital industry will pump up prices on small ships based on average median. I mean the ratio “Make/kill 1B ISK/hour” will always beat “Make/kill 20M ISK/hour”. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/t2-crapitals-incoming-did-ccp-learned-previous-lessons/404871/38 "2023-09-01T16:01:43Z")
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