# The 2023 ganking is good (or Ebil) megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 4, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430 "2023-01-04T01:12:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/21 "2023-01-04T13:48:09Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > The problem with Pro Gankers is they had forgotten how they got to where they are today. By clubbing poor ventures and stealing their ore or gas or whatever? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/22 "2023-01-04T13:49:19Z")
> [@Dr\_Noknow](#): > > If you want to call the setup and operation of a pyramid scheme or a FTX-like shenanigans or what Madoff did “skills” then yeah I agree with you. > Nonetheless, what they call “ganking” is mere computer theft. What does this have to do with ganking? Please keep the thread on topic. Thank you! ☺ ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/23 "2023-01-04T19:11:01Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > By clubbing poor ventures and stealing their ore or gas or whatever? Sometimes square pegs fit into round holes. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/24 "2023-01-04T19:14:32Z")
With enough brute force. But do you think ventures should be completely immune to pvp? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/25 "2023-01-04T19:17:10Z")
No because they make great cyno trucks /Besides do all gankers follow the same path with clubbing ventures to get to where they currenty are today? If so then I would never wish that path onto any Capsuleer. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/26 "2023-01-04T19:32:55Z")
I’ve done my fair share of venture clubbing. And clubbing ventures with ventures. So you tell me? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/27 "2023-01-04T19:35:59Z")
I see ganking miners as removing competition since we know gankers are miners in disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Erkkinnen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erkkinnen/32/391080_2.png) [@Erkkinnen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erkkinnen)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/28 "2023-01-04T19:42:05Z")
I spend most of my time in high sec doing carebear things, and IMO: Ganking is an important aspect to the game. Ganking is an acceptable play style. Ganking is a core game play mechanic. Without at least the danger of getting ganked I don’t think I’d play anymore. With ganking I need to be a little tactical when moving my stuff on shipping lanes as opposed to merely autopiloting a freighter. If I want something zero-risk I can just load up X4 Foundations and sell myself meatsteak kahunas. Complaining about getting ganked in low sec seems ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/29 "2023-01-04T19:44:13Z")
I am wrong and stand corrected with my thinking of a pro ganker would be good at how they do it rather than what they do it to. /Still strongly towards ganking is not a core game play mechanic. // > [@Erkkinnen](#): > > Complaining about getting ganked in low sec seems ludicrous. This would be better stated for Nulsec as Lowsec is still Empire Space with GATE GUNS /// > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > I see ganking miners as removing competition since we know gankers are miners in disguise. Looking at the competition would not be single Ventures with t1 fits mining Veldspar in highsec systems. ---
**Author:** ![Erkkinnen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erkkinnen/32/391080_2.png) [@Erkkinnen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erkkinnen)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/30 "2023-01-04T20:01:50Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > it is not a core game play mechanic unless everyone is involved in said ganking I don’t agree with this premise. There are some other core game mechanics (crafting, research, placing non-instant buy/sell orders) in which not everyone participates. ---
**Author:** ![Inaishite\_Teikei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inaishite_teikei/32/383275_2.png) [@Inaishite\_Teikei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaishite_Teikei)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/31 "2023-01-04T20:03:18Z")
At this point I can’t tell who are the bigger trolls - the gankers or the carebears doing insane mental backflips to justify their laziness and unwillingness to face adversity in a video game fundamentally designed as a highly competitive multiplayer experience. If some of you do this intentionally to get the rest of us riled up - bravo (but also find something better to do, like ship spinning). ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/32 "2023-01-04T20:11:00Z")
> Let’s see if it brings anything new to the ganking discussion. There is a role to play here and which ever way that is, this comment is the main goal. ---
**Author:** ![Inaishite\_Teikei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inaishite_teikei/32/383275_2.png) [@Inaishite\_Teikei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaishite_Teikei)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/33 "2023-01-04T20:30:26Z")
There is nothing new to be brought to the table. Every “discussion” is people who actually understand and appreciate the game and its philosophy vs. people who want to play a completely different game but insist on torturing themselves and whining about this one for reasons that elude me. You don’t have to be a ganker or even PvPer to understand why ganking adds value and richness to the game. I spent most of my gametime doing pure PvE exploration and had my unarmed exploration ships blown up by pirates many, many times. I not only accepted that as part of the gameplay, I embraced it and had tons of fun learning how to evade hunters, be smart, prepared, and faster than them. In short, I played the goddamn game and adapted instead of complaining about other players posing a challenge to me and demanding the game to be fundamentally changed because I can’t handle it. So, to answer OP: ganking is an important aspect of the game, an acceptable play style and a core game mechanic. This isn’t debatable at all, even if some details (like the legality of alpha ganking alts) can be regulated. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/34 "2023-01-04T20:37:36Z")
The game is changing though, with the safety of alpha clone green status along with tethering. It shows that there are more ways to bring change that can be derived from discussion even it takes all of Y125 there will be more of these debates. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/35 "2023-01-04T20:39:00Z")
Ganking has been excessively nerfed, yet people still demand more. The current state of ganking would justify 100% loot drops in HS. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/36 "2023-01-04T20:42:17Z")
> [@Inaishite\_Teikei](#): > > So, to answer OP: ganking is an important aspect of the game, an acceptable play style and a core game mechanic. This isn’t debatable at all, even if some details (like the legality of alpha ganking alts) can be regulated. There is a difference with stating that **Destruction** is a core game play mechanic. VS _Ganking_ is a core game play mechanic. /Adding that we don’t need ganking for New Eden Highsec to have destruction. _Triglavian_ Collective showed us this and perhaps some _Concord Collective_ turns against the Factions? ---
**Author:** ![Inaishite\_Teikei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inaishite_teikei/32/383275_2.png) [@Inaishite\_Teikei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaishite_Teikei)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/37 "2023-01-04T21:01:14Z")
> There is a difference with stating that **Destruction** is a core game play mechanic. VS _Ganking_ is a core game play mechanic. I didn’t say “destruction”, I said “ganking”. Even highsec can’t be 100% safe, I’d say that’s one of the core gameplay principles of EVE. Always has been. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/38 "2023-01-04T21:03:16Z")
> [@Inaishite\_Teikei](#): > > I didn’t say “destruction”, I said “ganking”. Even highsec can’t be 100% safe, I’d say that’s one of the core gameplay principles of EVE. Always has been. Destruction as a whole is way more valuble to Eve Online than Ganking. We don’t need _Ganking_! We do need **Destruction**. ---
**Author:** ![Inaishite\_Teikei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inaishite_teikei/32/383275_2.png) [@Inaishite\_Teikei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inaishite_Teikei)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/39 "2023-01-04T21:08:36Z")
We need destruction in highsec, i.e. wardecs and ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/40 "2023-01-04T21:16:20Z")
We do need destruction in highsec, ie wardecs and aggressive npc factions but ganking yeah-nah not so much. We can change and align our own goals that focus along side their goals from Fanfest were it was stated that Faction War will be the main delivery of Content for the next 2 Years. (something close to that anyhow) Ganking is a small part of a playstyle were better efforts are needed in actual Faction War, Ganking could even become locked behind Faction War in Highsec and then become a core playstyle but until then and while we continue to allow gwankers to hide it will never be concidered core game play mechanic. Ganking is just a Niche as soon as we stop treating it anymore the better. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430.md?page=3)