# The 2023 ganking is good (or Ebil) megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 4, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430 "2023-01-04T01:12:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/533 "2024-03-05T03:49:46Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > . Finally got a new job. Congrats! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/534 "2024-03-05T04:21:28Z")
The reason why I started playing this game was because of the sense of danger. That at any moment, someone could blap me, no matter the security status of the system. I knew from day one that CONCORD wasn’t there to protect me. I had to do that myself. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/535 "2024-03-05T11:25:30Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > CONCORD wasn’t there to protect me So you became a homicadal 12 year old girl, now in prison without any chance of parole. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/536 "2024-03-05T12:38:31Z")
Exactly. Rules were created to be broken. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/537 "2024-03-05T22:09:41Z")
I think half of the players don’t know the diffrence ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/538 "2024-03-05T23:15:12Z")
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change 👇 GANKERS Intelligence is based on how efficient a species became at doing the things they need to survive 👇 GANKERS An American monkey, getting drunk on brandy 👇 MINERS ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/539 "2024-03-06T09:08:16Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Seen some great names drop from the forums Who’s leaving now ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/540 "2024-03-06T13:51:31Z")
You ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/541 "2024-03-06T17:03:50Z")
> [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > I think half of the players don’t know the diffrence Half the ‘players’ don’t seem to actually play. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/542 "2024-03-06T17:26:02Z")
My guess is that half of them whine on the forums whilst taking a break from running around as bunny girls in Final Fantasy 14. They probably tried World of Warcraft first , but got ganked by some nasty rogue that proceeded to teabag them. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/1/b/51bcbb78060b9266a3bbf8510afc85f497b4240e.gif) ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/543 "2024-03-07T05:13:50Z")
Seeing all the people at the top of the thread complaining about lowsec PvP gives me no hope anymore. It’s explicitly the dangerous area, hence _low security_. If you do not want to be killed in lowsec space, _do not go there_. If you do not want to engage in surprise combat, _do not go there_. Highsec ganking is one thing, lowsec combat is another. You dug the hole by going into lowsec, do not complain in the forums about the hole you have dug. Because dying in space that has been stated to be extremely dangerous, by both the game and the players is a great heap of _not our damn problem_. Please, act like semi intelligent adults. Do not make me agree with gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/544 "2024-03-07T05:32:52Z")
A long time ago, there was a period when a big null-sec conflict was happening, and both CCP and the players used it as a marketing opportunity for the game. For some time after that, because of the (social) media coverage and recent articles that were written, lots of new players were coming into the game. There were a _lot_ of complaints from lots of those people about getting attacked in the lower security areas. I think that the “great schism” inside the player base has been misunderstood by most people across both side of the aisle. It’s not about ganking and safety specifically in high-sec, but the willingness and capacity for one segment of the player demographic to accept the existence of non-consensual PvP in _any_ capacity. It’s just that high-sec takes center stage in these debates because that’s where most of them happen to live because it’s the area of space so adjacent to the new player experience (one that most of them never graduate from). If these people were to move away from high-sec for some reason (e.g. the incomes become so relatively low that they’re no longer sustainable), then the same debates would occur for low-sec, null-sec, et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/545 "2024-03-07T05:48:11Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > If you do not want to be killed in lowsec space, _do not go there_. I never do! ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/546 "2024-03-07T06:07:59Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I never do! Never said you did, you’re kinda just butting in at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/548 "2024-03-07T07:48:42Z")
That reply didn’t last long. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/549 "2024-03-07T07:52:20Z")
Well that’s because if you argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/550 "2024-03-07T15:25:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s not about ganking and safety specifically in high-sec, but the willingness and capacity for one segment of the player demographic to accept the existence of non-consensual PvP in _any_ capacity. I think the real problem is attempts to accommodate these people rather than simply telling them they are playing the wrong game. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/551 "2024-03-07T15:40:13Z")
Companies exist to make money, so when 90% of the player base complains about how they don’t want a certain thing and will stop playing and paying if it’s not removed, their creative and marketing executives listen. You can see an example of this with the Sweet Baby Inc. drama that’s going on right now, and how the company was gaslighting marketing execs into giving them creative freedom to make games more woke by scaring them with the possibility of player riots on social media. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/552 "2024-03-07T18:10:30Z")
And it backfired on them. Turns out, Gamers don’t want out of context wokism shoehorned into the games story or plot. Imagine that! If it was part of the natural story being told, and not coming out of left field, gamers might have been more willing to accept it. (I specifically speaking into Starfield) ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430/553 "2024-03-07T18:24:07Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Welp, it’s 2023. Let’s see if it brings anything new to the ganking discussion Apparently not because it’s 2024 and the same old tired arguments and counterarguments resurface again and again without end or resolution. It’s worse than CSPAN. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > And a place to merge the inevitable and countless ganking offshoot conversations that crop up That’s very gracious of you. All the toxicity and tears in one convenient thread. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Ganking is, or is not, an important aspect to the game. > Ganking is, or is not, an acceptable play style. > Ganking is, or is not, a core game play mechanic No, no and no. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > So should pvp be removed from lowsec and only reserved for those signed up in the militias No again. It’s a Player against Player Everyone Versus Everyone online business operation. Participation is strictly on a voluntary basis. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-2023-ganking-is-good-or-ebil-megathread/390430.md?page=26)