# The Ancient City escalation – CCP, this is not OK **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** null-sec, pve\ **Created:** [July 5, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355 "2025-07-05T23:18:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bad\_Girll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bad_girll/32/509750_2.png) [@Bad\_Girll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bad_Girll)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/1 "2025-07-05T23:18:03Z")
I’m doing The Ancient City — arguably the hardest escalation in all of EVE Online. It requires **two capital-class ships** just to survive the incoming DPS. So tell me, **why is the reward absolute garbage?** We’re talking about **a top-tier escalation** that drops **nothing**. Not sometimes — always. RNG has nothing to do with it. Other capital escalations? Same story — nobody runs them anymore. This game is already a massive time sink, and we players **invest hours, ships, ISK, and real effort** into content that gives **no return**. It feels like a slap in the face. CCP, **do better**. Stop giving us empty escalations and **actually design content that respects our time**. We’re not asking for billions every time. We’re asking for **a reason to log in**. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/2 "2025-07-06T00:05:41Z")
ISKs are fun. If there are no ISKs the content is not fun. If there are lots of ISK then the content is super fun. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/3 "2025-07-06T01:23:21Z")
> [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > why is the reward absolute garbage? You need to complete your quest faster. Then you can get get more garbage/hr. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/4 "2025-07-06T05:06:29Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > ISKs are fun. If there are no ISKs the content is not fun. If there are lots of ISK then the content is super fun. I guess that means people can Pay For Fun by buying PLEX and selling it for ISK, and now it is even easier to sell it on the Global PLEX Market. 🤔 😏 💳 :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/5 "2025-07-06T05:37:29Z")
> [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > It requires **two capital-class ships** just to survive the incoming DPS. No it does not, it can be done with a subcap fleet. > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > Other capital escalations? Same story — nobody runs them anymore. In this we are in agreement, the potential reward vs the opportunity cost are not in alignment. PvE used to reliably generate 10/10 escalations, now it seems to be predominantly capital only escalation slop not worth doing. > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > ISK Quite a lot of $$$ on ISK, even with PLEX on sale I see your losses are hundreds of dollars. Did you consider after your 2nd or 3rd golem loss someone in your corporation is a spy ? > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > **real effort** into content that gives **no return** Its giving huge return for the people who like dunking marauders. > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > It feels like a slap in the face. Capital escalations are trash, however it appears your perspective is modulated significantly by personal struggles with the basic environment of EVE Online. > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > We’re not asking for billions every time. To break even the escalations would have to pay out billions to cover the kind of losses you have personally incurred, so, yes, you are asking for billions every time. With that kind of payout, everyone who is currently running these sites with the appropriate fits and compositions would be seen as equally, of not more so of a problem to the economy and invite endless whines about ISK velocity and the prevalence of whales. > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > We’re asking for **a reason to log in**. A golem with a single ASB for active tank is a reason to log in, only for other people. Whoever in your corporation/alliance is advising on your fits should be fired. In sansha territory a paladin would be a better maruder, though if you are on the radar of spy it does not matter which maruder is used. Stick with something simple like a ishtar for a bit and see if someone else starts getting dunked, then its 100% a spy. Do you not have intel/scouts? ---
**Author:** ![Bad\_Girll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bad_girll/32/509750_2.png) [@Bad\_Girll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bad_Girll)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/6 "2025-07-18T22:03:06Z")
i dont ask i just ask to have fun and good drop make me fun ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2025, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/7 "2025-07-20T04:50:30Z")
> [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > i just ask to have fun and good drop make me fun So instead of solving the problem with more optimal selections, instead make the reward better to compensate? > [@Bad\_Girll](#): > > i dont ask There is a difference between “did not ask for help” and “help was not given when asked for” that indicate two distinctly different root causes. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2025, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/8 "2025-07-20T14:17:08Z")
Funny what happens when you spend all your time ‘developing’ nerfs that benefit some bizarre and opinionated dev idealism. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/9 "2025-07-21T10:13:06Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > bizarre and opinionated I have been summoned. What ho, nerdarinos? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-ancient-city-escalation-ccp-this-is-not-ok/492355/10 "2025-10-19T10:13:42Z")
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