# The art of criticizing **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078 "2017-09-16T22:57:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/42 "2017-09-18T12:48:30Z")
I think below ms Firestorm expresses perfectly how valuable her input is. > [@Mika\_Firestorm](#): > > Because if you disapprove not out of love, but out of hatred, you are not a critic, > > you are a jackass. > [@Mika\_Firestorm](#): > > My move will be a pronounced loud wish for a block button on these forums. > > Why? Because it perfectly describes my feeling both about your person and quality of your posting. And I am not interested in commenting or explaining my feelings further. Take that as is. I have been nothing but polite and reasoned, as suggested in the original post. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/43 "2017-09-18T15:29:55Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > I have been nothing but polite and reasoned, as suggested in the original post. I probably should add one more thing: If you keep pestering someone with something that doesn’t interest them, despite they clearly stated they didn’t want to talk with YOU for one reason or another (and did that even multiple times), you are a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/44 "2017-09-18T16:43:28Z")
If you open a public post on a forum discussing criticism and then tell people you don’t want them to respond to you when you are then criticised… > [@Mika\_Firestorm](#): > > you are a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/45 "2017-09-18T17:16:47Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > If you open a public post on a forum discussing criticism and then tell people you don’t want them to respond to you when you are then criticised… You can’t get a hint, can you? Well, fine, I’ll try to be as blunt with you as possible. I am not interested in arguing with you. I am not interested in talking with you, criticising you or your ideas, or discussing you or anything with you, especially myself. I do not think that conversation with you will bring anything of value, nor I would enjoy it. For me, you are simply and utterly disgusting, and I do not want to have any affair with or about you. You still can’t get it? Imagine someone smelly and unclean beginning touching and groping you in public transport. Imagine they doing that despite it is not being completely legal and despite even your direct demands to stop doing that. That’s what I feel about you. Now, you got it? Then stop speaking to me or about me. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/46 "2017-09-18T17:58:09Z")
I am replying to a public thread that you posted. If you wish to avoid talking to people, delete the thread and stop posting on a public forum. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/47 "2017-09-18T18:07:43Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > I am replying to a public thread that you posted. If you wish to avoid talking to people, delete the thread and stop posting on a public forum. I don’t know how to make it more clear that I don’t want to talk to YOU in particular, and I am perfectly fine with talking with the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/48 "2017-09-18T18:08:18Z")
For no stated reason, yes, you said. I can only assume that you are unable to take criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/49 "2017-09-18T18:12:33Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > For no stated reason, yes, you said. > > I can only assume that you are unable to take criticism. I don’t see any criticism here, only rants. And the reason was provided. And I’ll provide it one more time. Stop writing, you are annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/50 "2017-09-18T18:13:02Z")
In this place, who speaks to us is not a choice we get to make. We have some choice in who we answer, though. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/51 "2017-09-18T18:15:51Z")
I’m afraid it’s your opinion that I am ranting. I feel that I am responding to you in a calm and coherent manner. You are the one who indulged in name calling first. I provided a criticism, which your post seemed to suggest you would be welcoming of. You decided that my criticism was unreasonable and swiftly descended to insults, proving yourself a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/52 "2017-09-18T18:19:07Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > In this place, who speaks to us is not a choice we get to make. > > We have some choice in who we answer, though. Unfortunately. And, well, I perfectly understand if they make a reply. I don’t understand how they can’t get a hint you wasn’t interested in that by the tone I simply replied the first time. Then they go into usual rants, trying to present trolling and pestering as “criticism”. Gah. Sorry, I am just a bit tired, I think I need to go play some holo-games. ---
**Author:** ![Yarosara\_Ruil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yarosara_ruil/32/191668_2.png) [@Yarosara\_Ruil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yarosara_Ruil)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/53 "2017-09-18T21:04:21Z")
Just saying Miss Mika, I’d rather leaving people dumbfounded with my awesome wit than having the last word! ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/54 "2017-09-18T22:20:31Z")
😂🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Yarosara\_Ruil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yarosara_ruil/32/191668_2.png) [@Yarosara\_Ruil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yarosara_Ruil)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/55 "2017-09-18T22:57:42Z")
Even Miss Raske agrees! ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/56 "2017-09-19T03:59:03Z")
Ms. Ruil, while we don’t agree on all things, thank you for your levity. ---
**Author:** ![Luna\_Hanaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luna_hanaya/32/22465_2.png) [@Luna\_Hanaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luna_Hanaya)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/57 "2017-09-19T14:46:43Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > ms Hanaya shows up to tell me how I’m doing something to not keep clean the place where I do live. With great pleasure! > [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > I’m afraid it’s your opinion that I am ranting. I feel that I am responding to you in a calm and coherent manner. You are the one who indulged in name calling first. I provided a criticism, which your post seemed to suggest you would be welcoming of. You decided that my criticism was unreasonable and swiftly descended to insults, proving yourself a hypocrite. I do not agree with her opinion that it was ranting. You indeed provided her with criticism, that, however, wasn’t so “polite”, as you tried to claim, it was quite rude and offensive, yet criticism. Regardless, she did read it. And she did post a reply, showing that she read it completely. In addition to that, she said that she doesn’t wish to talk to you further. Ms. Jenneth has noticed, that we don’t make a choice, who speaks to us, but we have a choice whom to answer. When we answer to someone, or when we write someone’s name, or when we write in someone’s topic, we don’t only state our opinions and delivering our messages, but we are also **grabbing attention** of the person. For example, I wouldn’t answer to you here if you didn’t bring my name. But since you did, here am I 🌞 She said you several times that she doesn’t wish to talk to you, and yet you continued. It is pretty well understandable why she doesn’t want to talk to you, taking into account your manner of argumenting. And she has all the rights to ask to leave her alone. And I think at that point it really stops being just “criticising”. You’ve yourself said she “descended to insults”. Do you know, how it is called, when you pester someone until they lose concentration and start using name-calling? It’s called **TROLLING**. What do you want from her now? Jumping around her, calling her hypocrite and pushing your opinion into her face, until she accepts it? It’s like yelling at her face, spitting all around: “ACCEPT MY ‘CRITICISM’, OR I FOLLOW YOU HOME AND KILL YOUR DOG!” Leave. Her. Alone. And if you really wish somehow to speak with her in particular, maybe you should first introspect into yourself and understand, why she considers you that repulsive and doesn’t want to talk to you? I can give just one hint. REAL polite people (who are indeed polite and not just _ **claim** _ that they are polite~ _hint_ _hint_ ), they do apologize when they do something wrong to others. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/58 "2017-09-19T15:27:24Z")
> [@Luna\_Hanaya](#): > > Do you know, how it is called, when you pester someone until they lose concentration and start using name-calling? It’s called TROLLING. Excepting, dearest link pilot, that Kim descends to insults and name-calling at the slightest whim. Her lack of self-control is practically a defining feature of that cardboard cut-out of a Provist. Faulting _others_ for Kim’s behavior is essentially condoning Kim’s behavior without admitting that _Kim’s_ behavior is the point of fault. What’s more, what you, Kim, and a certain other demand _others_ do to avoid trolling Kim, she does without fail toward others. > [@Luna\_Hanaya](#): > > She said you several times that she doesn’t wish to talk to you, and yet you continued. Consider that for a period of multiple years, I could not so much as comment on these forums without Kim traipsing in and linking that farce of a thread. > [@Luna\_Hanaya](#): > > REAL polite people (who are indeed polite and not just claim that they are polite~ hint hint ), they do apologize when they do something wrong to others. A lecture on politeness and apologies from Kim’s link pilot? Hanaya, you are a shill. Kim owes the entire community an apology. An abject, honest apology. ---
**Author:** ![Luna\_Hanaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luna_hanaya/32/22465_2.png) [@Luna\_Hanaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luna_Hanaya)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/59 "2017-09-19T15:51:36Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > A lecture on politeness and apologies from Kim’s link pilot? > > Hanaya, you are a shill. > > Kim owes the entire community an apology. > > An abject, honest apology. Excuse me, but have you got CDS to call me “Kim’s link pilot”? And it’s really grand from you in the first place to ask Kim anything. I read your and her story, and it seems it’s you, who owe her apology. And I read your rants against her in IGS, and it seems it’s you, who owe the apology to the entire community. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/60 "2017-09-19T15:55:30Z")
> [@Luna\_Hanaya](#): > > Excuse me, but have you got CDS to call me “Kim’s link pilot”? > > And it’s really grand from you in the first place to ask Kim anything. I read your and her story, and it seems it’s you, who owe her apology. And I read your rants against her in IGS, and it seems it’s you, who owe the apology to the entire community. Admittedly, you have a point on the ‘Kim’s link pilot’ thing, seeing as you haven’t been identified in a link Loki in the Black Rise theater since the fleet command firmware updates. As to the rest, you merely prove my point. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078/61 "2017-09-19T21:19:56Z")
Kind of puzzling to me that the thread regarding the grand betrayal got shut down by Auliette and this… rather rampant sock puppetry that’s been going on for a long time just keeps on going. Without scrutiny. Seriously, CRC? Like, seriously? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-art-of-criticizing/25078.md?page=4)