# The Case for a 100% Safe Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371 "2025-06-10T16:10:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/298 "2025-06-16T23:10:17Z")
> [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > create post only for attention Yes, attention to the fact that we’re steadily moving toward a 100% Safe Highsec. You may as well get used to the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/299 "2025-06-16T23:11:48Z")
nah, if ccp wanted a safe bubble they would have done it in the beta. it will never happen and if you want that happen so badly, bribe hilmar ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/300 "2025-06-16T23:14:28Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Glad I could clarify things for you! ChatGPT says: She’s trying to sound clever while throwing shade. Here’s the boiled-down version: 1. **She starts with a jab** saying something _you_ posted wasn’t hearsay—implying you don’t know what hearsay even means. 2. **She brags** (falsely humble style) about how she writes without AI help, unlike you—calling people who do use ChatGPT “miners” or “plebs.” 3. **She mocks your background claims** , suggesting you’re lying about law enforcement or your long EVE history. 4. **She gives a long-winded, Wikipedia-lite lecture on hearsay** , not to educate, but to flex and insult, implying you’re too dumb to understand it. 5. **She takes cheap shots** , like calling you a “dimwitted troll,” claiming you “confessed” to not playing EVE, and accusing you of stalking her, even calling you “it” now, implying you’ve been replaced by AI. 6. **She ends with a smug sign-off** , calling herself excellent. **TL;DR** : It’s a sarcastic, self-aggrandizing rant meant to mock you, discredit your claims, and frame you as obsessed, unoriginal, and unintelligent—all while pretending to give a legal lesson. # Total bait. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/302 "2025-06-16T23:19:04Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > It’s a sarcastic, self-aggrandizing rant meant to mock you, discredit your claims, and frame you as obsessed, unoriginal, and unintelligent So…ChatGPT actually got something right ! ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/303 "2025-06-16T23:21:48Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > This 2005 thread proves that suicide ganking _began to emerge_ as a recognizable behavior around that time, not in 2003. The community was clearly surprised and disgusted, not treating it as a long-established norm. Show me _any_ 2003 evidence of players’ suicide ganking newbros in starter systems. > > You won’t, _because it didn’t happen_. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/5/e/15e82b7c39c63688417bd807ea1047706dca695d.jpeg) You really are a bot aren’t you? You post proof from the internet, then your next post says you can’t believe what you read from the internet. You don’t understand your argument from one post to another. ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/304 "2025-06-16T23:24:49Z")
he is a bot, a very badly one ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/305 "2025-06-16T23:34:13Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > proof from the internet It was an actual Eve Forum post with KM’s. You’re _definitely_ not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree… * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/3/343a5540892cbec18dbb54b333737c26517b71a3.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/306 "2025-06-16T23:37:37Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > It was an actual Eve Forum post with KM’s. > > You’re _definitely_ not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree… You don’t even understand the argument I was making in a single post. No wonder you don’t like complex things. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/307 "2025-06-16T23:44:32Z")
> [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > a very badly one This player has switched **back and forth between corporations 74 times** , meaning they returned to a previous corp after leaving it—sometimes repeatedly. That’s a lot of flip-flopping for one capsuleer. * * * ```auto 1. 2016-04-15 10:57 - The Scope 2. 2016-04-15 13:26 - Federal Defense Union 3. 2016-04-17 19:28 - The Scope 4. 2016-04-18 16:43 - Federal Defense Union 5. 2016-04-22 12:43 - The Scope 6. 2016-04-22 16:14 - Federal Defense Union 7. 2016-04-25 21:35 - The Scope 8. 2016-04-30 13:42 - The Scope 9. 2016-04-30 20:02 - Federal Defense Union 10. 2016-05-05 19:57 - The Scope 11. 2016-05-06 21:06 - Federal Defense Union 12. 2016-05-07 16:08 - The Scope 13. 2016-05-08 19:55 - Federal Defense Union 14. 2016-05-19 14:43 - The Scope 15. 2016-05-19 20:03 - Federal Defense Union 16. 2016-05-20 20:43 - The Scope 17. 2016-06-12 21:19 - The Scope 18. 2016-07-14 19:42 - The Scope 19. 2016-11-01 13:19 - Global Isk Network 20. 2016-11-04 22:26 - The Scope 21. 2016-11-16 18:52 - The Scope 22. 2016-11-18 19:30 - Federal Defense Union 23. 2016-12-04 14:03 - The Scope 24. 2017-01-20 22:37 - Bring Your Own Biatch 25. 2017-01-21 00:04 - The Scope 26. 2017-01-21 15:45 - Federal Defense Union 27. 2017-01-22 12:37 - Bring Your Own Biatch 28. 2017-01-27 15:24 - Federal Defense Union 29. 2017-02-13 14:21 - The Scope 30. 2017-07-18 14:19 - The Scope 31. 2017-09-14 21:10 - The Scope 32. 2017-11-04 15:09 - Bring Your Own Biatch 33. 2017-11-26 20:27 - The Scope 34. 2018-01-05 22:48 - The Scope 35. 2018-02-05 16:10 - The Scope 36. 2018-05-20 10:43 - Pandemic Horde Inc. 37. 2018-06-05 21:09 - The Scope 38. 2018-06-27 19:18 - The Scope 39. 2019-02-17 11:45 - The Scope 40. 2019-03-16 22:08 - Pandemic Horde Inc. 41. 2019-03-26 21:04 - The Scope 42. 2019-07-31 14:36 - Pandemic Horde Inc. 43. 2019-08-06 21:02 - The Scope 44. 2019-12-23 19:41 - State Protectorate 45. 2020-01-02 12:32 - The Scope 46. 2020-04-07 16:55 - The Scope 47. 2020-05-27 11:26 - Pandemic Horde Inc. 48. 2020-05-28 10:46 - The Scope 49. 2020-06-24 14:16 - Pandemic Horde High Sec Division 50. 2020-06-24 16:24 - The Scope 51. 2020-06-26 18:43 - The Scope 52. 2020-10-16 13:28 - Kybernauts 53. 2020-10-19 21:26 - The Scope 54. 2020-10-25 00:27 - Kybernauts 55. 2021-01-07 18:41 - The Scope 56. 2021-04-07 16:59 - Federal Navy Academy 57. 2021-11-04 21:16 - Kybernauts 58. 2022-02-09 22:09 - Federal Navy Academy 59. 2022-02-24 22:05 - State Protectorate 60. 2022-08-13 15:24 - Federal Navy Academy 61. 2022-10-02 21:46 - State Protectorate 62. 2022-11-21 16:02 - Federal Navy Academy 63. 2022-11-24 15:55 - State Protectorate 64. 2023-01-25 20:55 - United Caldari Navy 65. 2023-01-25 20:59 - Federal Navy Academy 66. 2023-01-25 23:04 - United Caldari Navy 67. 2023-01-27 23:56 - State Protectorate 68. 2023-05-19 21:06 - Federal Navy Academy 69. 2023-10-16 20:42 - Federal Navy Academy 70. 2024-03-11 22:42 - Federal Navy Academy 71. 2024-03-14 13:45 - Federal Navy Academy 72. 2024-06-14 09:38 - Korinthian Kommune 73. 2024-07-19 14:30 - Federal Navy Academy 74. 2025-02-13 19:09 - Federal Navy Academy ``` ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/308 "2025-06-16T23:48:40Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > This player has switched **back and forth between corporations 74 times** , meaning they returned to a previous corp after leaving it—sometimes repeatedly. That’s a lot of flip-flopping for one capsuleer. I am sorry Swing Vote if we carbon units seem rash and chaotic to you. We are not as precise as you digital folks. ---
**Author:** ![Swing\_Vote1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/swing_vote1/32/461282_2.png) [@Swing\_Vote1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Swing_Vote1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/309 "2025-06-16T23:56:40Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > rash and chaotic I just find him criticizing me adorable. ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/310 "2025-06-17T01:02:21Z")
HiSec was never “100% safe”. In the past, CONCORD could be tanked, and you could escape from them. So you could gank without CONCORD blowing you up. Any player corporation could be wardec’d by any other player corporation for a flate rate. Actually, HiSec is safer today than it ever has been: corporations are immune from wardecs until the place a structure (they just use holding corps for that), mining barges have more tank than ever (especially procurers), Orca tank got a significant buff, if you steal someone’s can now you have suspect and everyone can shoot you and not just that one person. HiSec is way safer than ever. If you’re getting blown up by other players in HiSec the only fault is on you. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/311 "2025-06-17T01:38:33Z")
@Swing_Vote1 Since you were here from the beginning. 🙄 How old are you considering eve’s demographic profile back then. Are you suffering from dementia or Alzheimer’s? I have to deal with people with those sad afflictions every day. You have my deepest sympathy. ---
**Author:** ![Sere\_O\_Asis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sere_o_asis/32/374997_2.png) [@Sere\_O\_Asis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sere_O_Asis)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/312 "2025-06-17T01:43:53Z")
o/ @Swing_Vote1 > [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > Show me _any_ 2003 evidence of players’ suicide ganking newbros in starter systems I have to admit, in as much as I was trained and studied to be a historian, I found this to be a delightful challenge. I enjoy researching, and while CCP has “vanished” the earliest iteration of the EVE forum, I was able to find the following: > **[EVE Search - Being attacked in 1.0 space, what's up?!](https://eve-search.com/thread/23822-0)** > > The alternative guide to the EVE-Online forums. Mirrors and enables advanced search options to browse the EVE-Online forums. I am including one of the respondents posts here, for those interested in a summation of the thread: ![Summation 2003 Ganking Thread](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/2/d429280df14f69f641caf7b053167d244ae8600c.png) * * * For those who didn’t click the link, this post seems to predate usage of the word “ganking”. As you follow the thread one poster admits to: _A few days ago I was attacking people in Duripant which is a 1.0 and the police weren’t there and the sentry guns didn’t do anything. So everybody kinda started attacking everybody._ Pator is the system initially mentioned. While no one explicitly writes they are attacking new players in these two starter systems, obviously violence was happening, and violence the respondents as a whole thought should involve Concord in some manner. This time period predates my involvement in EVE, by 10 years. It seems from reading this section of the earliest EVE forum, Concord still has bugs? Is being worked on? Anyhow, speculation was occurring, in 2003, as to what should be expected with Concord, in Highsec, with specific mentions of two starters systems. As an aside, as you can see from the screenshot, afk mining was being discussed in such threads already. During this time period, so roughly 2 1/2 to 3 months after EVE’s debut in May 2003, pilots were debating safety in Highsec, name changes, and the price for EVE. Links for the 3 mentions listed here: > **[EVE Search - EVE hits $19.95 USD](https://eve-search.com/thread/24039-0)** > > The alternative guide to the EVE-Online forums. Mirrors and enables advanced search options to browse the EVE-Online forums. > **[EVE Search - Name changes... those that CCP considers offensive](https://eve-search.com/thread/24033-0)** > > The alternative guide to the EVE-Online forums. Mirrors and enables advanced search options to browse the EVE-Online forums. > **[EVE Search - Cargo stealing idea... how to fix.](https://eve-search.com/thread/22062-0)** > > The alternative guide to the EVE-Online forums. Mirrors and enables advanced search options to browse the EVE-Online forums. I’m just tossing those in, as we’re still debating these issues/topics on the current iteration of the EVE forum. @Swing_Vote1 , thanks. I had fun looking it up, 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/313 "2025-06-17T02:04:34Z")
The good old days when you could solo gank any mining ship with a T1 fit Catalyst. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/314 "2025-06-17T02:08:15Z")
Or if you were smart enough to avoid that! ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/315 "2025-06-17T02:08:53Z")
It’s always been easy to avoid. Don’t mine on the warp in. Warp out when you see combat probes or local spikes. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/316 "2025-06-17T02:09:34Z")
Then. Now? That would require effort. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/317 "2025-06-17T02:28:41Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > This player has switched **back and forth between corporations 74 times** , meaning they returned to a previous corp after leaving it—sometimes repeatedly. That’s a lot of flip-flopping for one capsuleer. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/5/55c3b7168e4dafd7d54a2ecb744fa53514113b24.gif) Welp, guess you aren’t even passingly familiar with the basic ideas of faction warfare and obviously can’t glean possible intel. You’ve played EvE for 22 years you say, eh? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/b/5/ab55874ac8584c8a126a67eef96fcb0b4f82b7fc.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371/318 "2025-06-17T03:37:42Z")
> [@Swing\_Vote1](#): > > This player has switched **back and forth between corporations 74 times** , meaning they returned to a previous corp after leaving it—sometimes repeatedly. That’s a lot of flip-flopping for one capsuleer. I can’t believe someone who’s _allegedly_ been in EVE 22 years doesn’t understand the very simple explanation for this. It’s entirely about joining corporations/factions for the duration of a war…and then returning to an original non-wardeccable corp. Its a very common practice…and has nothing to do with flip-flopping over loyalty to a corp. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-case-for-a-100-safe-highsec/489371.md?page=16)