# The Champion is Reborn **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873 "2019-02-22T22:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ekaterina_desilvestris/32/513916_2.png) [@Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ekaterina_deSilvestris)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/81 "2019-02-24T09:38:53Z")
Anyanka Funk deceased? I must confess I have rather mixed feelings on this. The death of such an enemy is, of course, welcome news, but I am also somewhat disappointed. I am led to understand Funk has stated she was going to hunt me personally. I could, of course, be misinformed on this, as I would have thought I should pass beneath her notice, but if true, I was finding the idea rather exhilarating. I shall miss that, I think. I must admit, however, that had her demise come earlier, it would have saved me some degree of inconvenience in other matters. Though the ideology and practices the two of you shared are an utterly unconscionable Heresy, you have lost a Comrade, and no doubt you shall, in your own twisted way, honour her memory. I can understand and respect that, if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/82 "2019-02-24T09:40:57Z")
> [@Jade\_Blackwind](#): > > someone’s pretty mask suddenly falls off I suppose my hatred of Sanists might be news for some, but I’ve never really concealed it. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/83 "2019-02-24T10:02:53Z")
> [@Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](#): > > Anyanka Funk deceased? I must confess I have rather mixed feelings on this. The death of such an enemy is, of course, welcome news, but I am also somewhat disappointed. I am led to understand Funk has stated she was going to hunt me personally. I could, of course, be misinformed on this, as I would have thought I should pass beneath her notice, but if true, I was finding the idea rather exhilarating. I shall miss that, I think. > > I must admit, however, that had her demise come earlier, it would have saved me some degree of inconvenience in other matters. > > Though the ideology and practices the two of you shared are an utterly unconscionable Heresy, you have lost a Comrade, and no doubt you shall, in your own twisted way, honour her memory. I can understand and respect that, if nothing else. Thank you, Ekaterina. So far the Burn Jita thing keeps me from properly honoring Anya’s memory (no prey, heavy spacetime distortion, **ALL** of Concord on site, instalockers at gates - I killed three pods, but lost seven thrashers), but I’ll wait and then continue. The Amarrian pilots’ sense of honor amuses me; you are like some kind of majestic, endangered reptile species that’s soon to be extinct, and I sorta even admire your kind for your stubborness; an enemy worth fighting, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/84 "2019-02-24T11:20:34Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/c/fced1f1e50b25d0b796192c6c959c75da12e4f59.png) One. He took offense to that, but apologized afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/85 "2019-02-24T11:33:38Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Should I refer him to this thread? Probably not 😉 Added to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/86 "2019-02-24T12:25:49Z")
Two. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/3/339a153917a71acdcf609493e62213859d57f90c.png) Can we do this somehow else, without me spamming the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/87 "2019-02-24T12:34:03Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Can we do this somehow else, without me spamming the thread? Please. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/88 "2019-02-24T14:46:51Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Can we do this somehow else, without me spamming the thread? Sure, link the kills in the personal mail to me and I’ll add them in one bunch once per day or so. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/89 "2019-02-24T15:18:29Z")
I wouldn’t consider myself necessarily good or bad on that. I just won’t change my beliefs on something due to the subject being referred to. That would be wrong in my eyes (ugh, even for PIE and Nauplius), so I can’t condone it. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/90 "2019-02-24T15:49:01Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > > After reading this thread, I understand why so many of my capsuleer peers don’t bother with IGS anymore. > > Why is that? Well, Teinyhr gifted me with the perfect example right after your post: > [@Teinyhr](#): > > Yes, the endless sympathy for doomsday cultists, sanists and other avowed enemies of humanity is certainly concerning and something any sane people would avoid. This kind of vitriol, this open hatred for another life? It’s disgusting, _regardless of who or what they are._ There are plenty of pilots who I wish would stop talking here, and also some who I think should face justice as it applies to their crimes, but encouraging or cheering on someone’s permanent death is beyond loathsome to me, and I wouldn’t wish it on even my greatest foes. Granted, Teinyhr is not the only one engaging in this here–far from it–but she’s easily the most disappointing, given that she usually has brilliant points of view to share. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/91 "2019-02-24T15:55:13Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Does a mediocre ganker and corp thief really deserve this much breath? She was an enemy, but unlike you, she had courage to show up. She deserves way more than you. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/92 "2019-02-24T16:06:22Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > This kind of vitriol, this open hatred for another life? It’s disgusting, _regardless of who or what they are._ There are plenty of pilots who I wish would stop talking here, and also some who I think should face justice as it applies to their crimes, but encouraging or cheering on someone’s permanent death is beyond loathsome to me, and I wouldn’t wish it on even my greatest foes. > > Granted, Teinyhr is not the only one engaging in this here–far from it–but she’s easily the most disappointing, given that she usually has brilliant points of view to share. The person in question literally tortures and murders innocent people. How is that deserving of any sympathy? ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/93 "2019-02-24T16:21:39Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > There are plenty of pilots who I wish would stop talking here, and also some who I think should face justice as it applies to their crimes, but encouraging or cheering on someone’s permanent death is beyond loathsome to me, and I wouldn’t wish it on even my greatest foes. A peculiar fact of our nature means that we are beyond justice, except that of the justice of the grave. Funk and Nauplius could not, can not be arrested, tried, judged, or imprisoned by the usual powers of justice. CONCORD _refuses_! The Empires are helpless. The only way that Nauplius can be stopped is with his death. That is the only form of justice available. The Amarr-loyalist capsuleers petitioned Catiz, who has sat around sipping wine while Nauplius kept committing atrocities that are more extreme than the Amarr norm. His actions are still more extreme than the Amarr norm: stuffing slaves with vitoc and sending Blood Raiders to kill them. I don’t know Jade Blackwind. Though I do know what Tribe she is from, and I will allow Teinyhr, her kinswoman, to pass what judgement she wills. (Maybe I have learned the wrong lesson from my time since freed, but of all of us who are in position to pass such judgements, is it not those of our kin and Tribe?) As for my own opinion on Sanists, well: 1: Karsoth: Blooder. Tried to finish what Idonis Ardishapur started. 2: Nauplius: Blooder. Tried to emulate Idonis Ardishapur, but on a wider variety of Minmatar. 3: Blood Raider Covenant: Blooders. Murders and tortures innocent people _all the time_. This is not to mention that while the Blood Raider attacks on the Amarr Empire might have given the Tribes an opening to strike back in a way, the attacks did result in the deaths of millions of Minmatar slaves. It’s hard to liberation someone who is dead. I would hope and pray that Jade repents, that she gives up her murderous, destructive ways _before_ wishing her death. Though I feel like those who are older, and maybe a bit wiser, are more jaded than that. I cannot blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/94 "2019-02-24T16:30:13Z")
So, Melisma? It used to be that I thought a lot like that. Amarr treat Sabik practice harshly. They may show mercy enough to try to save whom they can once organized resistance crumbles, but not a single tear is shed for those laser fire burns down. And even afterward, for the blood priests and those who were given a conscious choice between Amarr and Sabik, and chose the latter? The normal punishment is death. It seemed like a needless waste of life to me. Only, after coming in contact with the Sabik myself, I now think of that as that a reasoned, measured, rational response. For the Amarr, this fight is existential, and not just in this world; it’s a fight for their nation’s soul, and they take to it with grim determination. Not only is it a permanent (un)civil war against an ancient ideological enemy and a fight for their integrity of their faith, but it’s also _painfully_ personal. Most Sabik are kin of one kind or another to one or many faithful Amarr, and the Sabik use this angle without shame or mercy, whether to drag family down with them or to torment their foes-- say, by snatching up Uncle Anhir and returning him to Aunt Ettie in small monthly installments, accompanied by proof of continued, anguished life. In the end, the Sabik are a power cult whose one consistent theme is that individual power is all and that therefore the strong owe nothing to the weak, but should use them as they please, while, in turn, the weak owe nothing to the strong but fear, and should therefore be continually plotting to overthrow their masters and become strong themselves. It’s not so much a wrong insight as a corrosive and myopic one, a jagged shard of partial truth that cuts more viciously than any lie probably could. They’re everything the Matari see in the Amarr, but unleavened by any sense of duty to their captives. At its height, this moves into the sort of occultism that sheds blood enthusiastically in the expectation that if you torture and murder enough people surely something interesting will happen. Even the milder versions of their belief are a problem, because even if they only see and present themselves as harmless self-help cults and so on, they carry the seeds of something terrible. Their belief system is utterly corrosive, obliterating the social bonds of trust, duty, and mutual reliance that lie at the root of an ordered society. It’s the Takmahl path: at best, they can hope for a brilliant, soaring ascent and a short age of ambition-driven wonders, followed by civil war and total collapse. There’s basically nothing significant left of the Takmahl but their artifacts. (Interestingly, Dr. Valate and I seem to see this the same. Just, to me, this invalidates Sabik practice as an influence in a stable, healthy society. She thinks this miserable pattern is just how God wants people to live.) As someone with an interest in world religions, I did once contemplate spending a little while among them, to study. That’s been off the agenda for a while now. As for Ms. Blackwind … There might be hope. She’s definitely not Funk, and I admire Else a little for trying. But as long as she clings to this destructive worldview-- especially if it’s framed the way she seems to, as revenge against the world-- what she’s walking is a path of existential despair. Empty. Pointless. … Steeped in suffering, yet meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/95 "2019-02-24T16:36:35Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > The person in question literally tortures and murders innocent people. How is that deserving of any sympathy? Jade is living, and every spirit is vital to this cluster. As well, she’s made clear efforts to improve herself, which means she is, or at least once was, capable of redemption, which assigns her a specific value to our society as well. Wouldn’t you say so, Samira Kernher? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/96 "2019-02-24T16:39:29Z")
Let this one be naive. She will learn soon enough, if her encounter does not kill or convert her. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/97 "2019-02-24T16:40:49Z")
This is every bit the uncaring harshness I have come to expect from the Amarr. Please take your advice elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/98 "2019-02-24T16:41:19Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > She was an enemy, but unlike you, she had courage to show up. I’ve no love for Priano, but “Funk” and “courage” don’t belong in the same sentence, Commander. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/99 "2019-02-24T16:45:25Z")
Hey, if no one wants to listen to members of the oldest society in New Eden, and the one that has fought the Sanist mind pollution for millennia, be my guest. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/100 "2019-02-24T16:48:34Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > Funk and Nauplius could not, can not be arrested, tried, judged, or imprisoned by the usual powers of justice. CONCORD _refuses_ ! The Empires are helpless. > > The only way that Nauplius can be stopped is with his death. That is the only form of justice available. CONCORD is vehemently neutral, and wouldn’t act if a fish became a pilot. When that’s stripped away from your argument here, it starts looking suspiciously more like an opinion. Although I did just say above that Jade could grow, I don’t believe the same of Nauplius and I don’t have the ability to make that judgment on Funk. But I do stand by my belief that calling for anyone’s permanent death is a disgusting way to behave. > [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > (Maybe I have learned the wrong lesson from my time since freed, but of all of us who are in position to pass such judgements, is it not those of our kin and Tribe?) Varies by clan and tribe. My own clan would not take kindly to an outsider passing judgment on our internal affairs, even if they were Sebestior like us. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > So, Melisma? It used to be that I thought a lot like that. I always appreciate hearing from you, Aria, but I’m not Amarr. And although you’re probably right in your analogy, it’s actually my beliefs as a spiritual Matari that keep me from being able to accept this argument. Maybe one day I’ll also stop thinking this way, but today isn’t that day. I want to see beyond a person’s actions and into themselves, and as previously stated, while I can’t make the same assessment for other examples like Funk and Nauplius, I do see something worth the spark in Jade. > [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > This is every bit the uncaring harshness I have come to expect from the Amarr. > > Please take your advice elsewhere. Much appreciated, but I’ll accept the criticism. He could be right one day. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873.md?page=6)