# The Champion is Reborn **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873 "2019-02-22T22:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/101 "2019-02-24T16:51:48Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > This kind of vitriol, this open hatred for another life? It’s disgusting, _regardless of who or what they are._ Yeah? Well if you want to coddle torturers, murderers, spirit-breakers, spirit-stealers and body corruptors, then be my guest. Like has been brought up, the only way to be rid of these wastes of carbon if they become capsuleers is by their own volition. And I intend to encourage them to biomass themselves in the future as well. If you can’t stand it, well, tough. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/102 "2019-02-24T16:57:44Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > coddle Funny, I can’t seem to find a place where I said I would coddle them. Can you show me where I said this? ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/103 "2019-02-24T16:59:12Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > > > The person in question literally tortures and murders innocent people. How is that deserving of any sympathy? > > Jade is living, and every spirit is vital to this cluster. > > As well, she’s made clear efforts to improve herself, which means she is, or at least once was, capable of redemption, which assigns her a specific value to our society as well. > > Wouldn’t you say so, Samira Kernher? I was talking about Funk, since you were calling out people for celebrating her demise. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/104 "2019-02-24T17:00:45Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Funny, I can’t seem to find a place where I said I would coddle them. Can you show me where I said this? Well, clearly you think me telling her to fly into a sun without cloning contract is loathsome, so you want me to be less direct about my wish, because it upsets you. In essence, I’d have to temper my hatred for your benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/105 "2019-02-24T17:03:27Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I always appreciate hearing from you, Aria, but I’m not Amarr. Well … neither am I, though. If you do decide to look more deeply at the Sabik, I’d suggest being really careful who you approach. Along with Sansha’s Nation, the Blood Raiders are one of two major groups in New Eden I’d rather be dead than captured by. And they look at clone blood as particularly high-quality, so without careful safeguards you might spend a distressingly long life as a blood reservoir. As safeguards go, an antimatter speck on a neurological dead-man switch probably isn’t overkill. If you really insist on looking into them, Sabik practice is legal in the Federation (which I think is a calamitously bad idea even if I understand their reasons) so long as they don’t get up to stuff like sacrificing people. There, the problem with the belief system will be subtle, so you might not even recognize it. But … please remember what I said about what that faith is about. The theme’ll still be the same. And so will the end, if it’s allowed to thrive and spread. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/106 "2019-02-24T17:07:15Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > The person in question literally tortures and murders innocent people. How is that deserving of any sympathy? How are _capsuleers_ “innocent people”? As long as they are past their first few level 1 missions, they are not. Any prolific L4 mission runner or nullsec ratter killed more actual innocent people in baseliner crews than even Nauplius did. Putting a gun to an egger’s pod and instantly sending the loldemigod back to their clone bay so they lose some time, ISK and self-esteem is hardly “torturing innocent people”. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/107 "2019-02-24T17:10:07Z")
I have less sympathy for the capsuleers you go after, sure. But since when did Funk limit her activities to just capsuleers? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/108 "2019-02-24T17:13:06Z")
CONCORD is going to bring it back once they get the ‘just kidding’ note that creature surely left on a time-delay release. There is no way it would let us have this satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/109 "2019-02-24T17:18:18Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > CONCORD is going to bring her back once they get the ‘just kidding’ note that creature surely left on a time-delay release. There is no way it would let us have this satisfaction. You’re as right about this as you are about your hair care advice. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/110 "2019-02-24T17:18:21Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > I was talking about Funk, since you were calling out people for celebrating her demise. Looks like I misunderstood on that point, then. My point on Funk is exactly that, though–that celebrating her demise is gross. I’m not attempting to justify or approve of her actions in life, though, and I think maybe it’s being interpreted that way. > [@Teinyhr](#): > > Well, clearly you think me telling her to fly into a sun without cloning contract is loathsome, so you want me to be less direct about my wish, because it upsets you. In essence, I’d have to temper my hatred for your benefit. Then that would be your coddling me, not my coddling them. Also, I don’t want you to be less direct because it “upsets” me. I want you to be less direct because you’ve made yourself into a piece of ■■■■ in front of everyone. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > But … please remember what I said about what that faith is about. The theme’ll still be the same. If I did get into researching the Sabik, it would be relegated to research, not actual encounters among them. My opinions here are about individual people, though, so I’m not sure that it would change anything about this conversation. To be clear, I’ve not said anything about allowing the Sabik practice to survive or thrive. I’ve only said that I think that a person should be judged on their merits, not their mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/111 "2019-02-24T17:20:37Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > celebrating her demise is gross It’s really not. She was a horrible person and the cluster is better off without her. She’s now hopefully _finally_ being held accountable for her crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/112 "2019-02-24T17:20:58Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Also, I don’t want you to be less direct because it “upsets” me. I want you to be less direct because you’ve made yourself into a piece of ■■■■ in front of everyone. Well that’s my problem, not yours. And I thought I would never see the day that people choose to call me a piece of ■■■■ over a ■■■■■■■ sani sabik disciple. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/113 "2019-02-24T17:21:40Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > I have less sympathy for the capsuleers you go after, sure. But since when did Funk limit her activities to just capsuleers? She did not exressively limit her activities to just pure pod hunting, yes. But the clones were her preferred targets. Before entering CODE, she mostly ganked frigates, and shuttles - so the count of her baseliner victims from that would be about the same as of an average lowsec militia frigate pilot. She also ran missions for the Covenant in Delve. So, if we look at the _real_ damage Funk inflicted on the humanity, it would be no different than that of any other active nullsec dweller. She just was fond of showing how different she was in everyone’s face, and _that_’s why everyone really hated her - for being different. Just as the upstanding citizens here hate me now as I took her place. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > CONCORD is going to bring her back once they get the ‘just kidding’ note that creature surely left on a time-delay release. There is no way it would let us have this satisfaction. Depends if that’s the first time. CONCORD has two strikes and you’re dead for good policy on this. I know, I sacrificed myself once. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/114 "2019-02-24T17:23:45Z")
> [@Jade\_Blackwind](#): > > > [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > > > I have less sympathy for the capsuleers you go after, sure. But since when did Funk limit her activities to just capsuleers? > > She did not exressively limit her activities to just pure pod hunting, yes. But the clones were her preferred targets. Before entering CODE, she mostly ganked frigates, and shuttles - so the count of her baseliner victims from that would be about the same as of an average lowsec militia frigate pilot. She also ran missions for the Covenant in Delve. > > So, if we look at the _real_ damage Funk inflicted on the humanity would be no different than that of any other active nullsec dweller. She just was fond of showing how different she was in everyone’s face, and _that_’s why everyone really hated her - for being different. Just as the upstanding citizens here hate me now as I took her place. She made remarks about eating babies and the like, and has expressed support for things Nauplius has done. If she did not actually do similar things to what he and most blood raiders do, to baseliners, then that would be news to me. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/115 "2019-02-24T17:27:28Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > And I thought I would never see the day that people choose to call me a piece of ■■■■ over a ■■■■■■■ sani sabik disciple. I’ve dealt with you more than I’ve dealt with Jade (albeit both mostly in the context of IGS). I came to respect your opinions, even when I didn’t always agree with them. Jade I’ve only seen in passing, usually ranting about something. So in a thread mostly full of disappointing responses, your responses bothered me the most. But that probably isn’t worth anything, so whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/116 "2019-02-24T17:31:57Z")
My earliest memory of her is her declaring very loudly and in public that she’d been mating with her slaver hound. Whether it was true or not, that kind of exhibitionism was mostly the part she played. I guess it was indeed a way of sticking her differences in everyone’s face, if that’s a valuable thing to do. But it didn’t seem to really cause much discussion or thought. It was more like a child who’s found a snake or an extra-large spider or something chasing other children around with it. I guess we could say she was painting her own willingness to do and say things that repelled others as strength, and their revulsion as weakness. It’s not clear to me, though, that a dark mind, or a mind with a high tolerance for things that people find disgusting, is “stronger.” And actually it seems like a need to show it off might be, well, a weakness. Basically, while I, also, have a kind of dark mind, I didn’t find her very interesting. She bored me, so I didn’t talk to her. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/117 "2019-02-24T17:32:09Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > So in a thread mostly full of disappointing responses, your responses bothered me the most. I see. That is unfortunate. If this were any other case, I’d probably agree with you. However, Sani Sabik and Sansha are soul corrupters, where I take a huge exception. Once you become one of them, you are tainted as long as you live, and the only cure is death. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/118 "2019-02-24T17:43:19Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > However, Sani Sabik and Sansha are soul corrupters, where I take a huge exception. I’ll accept this. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/119 "2019-02-24T17:46:12Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > However, Sani Sabik and Sansha are soul corrupters, where I take a huge exception. Once you become one of them, you are tainted as long as you live, and the only cure is death. Okay. > [@A Change in Tactics](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-change-in-tactics/133772/45): > > the Minmatar, all Minmatar, are troublemakers and warmongers who must be dealt with. They may hide behind honeyed words of faith and loyalty, as the Ammatar do, or they may rave like the ululating heathens they always show themselves to be, but at the core of their being, like a sickness, a canker of the soul, lurks the dark truth: they revel in bloodshed and destruction and will never be truly happy until they rule over a mountain of bones. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873/120 "2019-02-24T17:47:39Z")
…did you really just use Chakaid in attempt to support a point? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-champion-is-reborn/141873.md?page=7)