# The Completion of the Reclaiming **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 3, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299 "2018-09-03T20:23:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/444 "2018-10-09T06:07:35Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > Did you mean to say, Garkeh Khanid version 2.0? > > There is some fairly substantial evidence to that effect, after all. > > I thought _you_ were Garkeh 2.0. \*Vlad looks at himself in the viewfinder of the camera and then looks at a holo of Farokh Khanid and begins to point at the obvious difference. A man walks and and the camera pans to it. Surprise! It looks (reasonably) like Farokh Khanid! _Vlad jumps back in mock shock and points at it_ There! Garkeh Khanid 2.1! ---
**Author:** ![Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vykiomi_kezak-akarin/32/101259_2.png) [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/445 "2018-10-09T07:33:11Z")
House Kezak remains a minor Holder family sworn to House Sarum. As such, there exists a greater onus upon it to make clear its own degree of submission to those above it. Just because a form or style of pretense might be used to display the degree of deference and respect it believes to to be extended to those greater and superior to it, it does not in fact make that pretense true. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/446 "2018-10-09T14:22:23Z")
Well, yeah, exactly my point. Farokh’s like… barely worth a partial version update. Maybe just a Revision level. Garkeh 1.0(b) maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/447 "2018-10-09T17:27:03Z")
Slaves are viewed as no better than cattle to be bred and used as the slaver sees fit…yeah um, no…thanks. I’ll just keep resisting your vile slavery death cult \*religion" and blowing up as many slavers as I can. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/448 "2018-10-09T22:30:29Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Slaves are viewed as no better than cattle to be bred and used as the slaver sees fit…yeah um, no…thanks. > > I’ll just keep resisting your vile slavery death cult \*religion" and blowing up as many slavers as I can. We should team up sometime. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Truly, your _dad_ the Margrave is as much of a jerk as you are. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vykiomi_kezak-akarin/32/101259_2.png) [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/449 "2018-10-10T15:39:26Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Slaves are viewed as no better than cattle to be bred and used as the slaver sees fit Just because my dear Aunt has a favourite miniature Syrikos hounds and personifies it as a human being, capable of human feeling and human sensibilities it does not make it so. The slave has yet to complete the most important struggle of faith, the first jihad, the war against the self – upon doubt and disbelief until total and complete submission before God is accomplished in the wandering of the desert of the soul. Until that time, then they are as the Beast made manifest with all its base desires as it wallows in sin, and until that time the absolute submission before God is made then the slave-beast should be regarded with respect to their true nature: as an animal. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/450 "2018-10-10T16:39:02Z")
Sounds like it ain’t the _slaves_ who’re the animals in this equation[1]. * * * 1. Damn me and my pedantry. Yes, I know everyone involved is in fact a mammal of the order Primates, and as a result, an animal. Shut up, me. My brain, folks. I promise, _you_ ain’t the ones who have to put up with the worst of this crap. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/451 "2018-10-10T18:02:39Z")
As if that was ever in doubt. This is why if God exists, he should be opposed, not worshiped. Any creature that would treat sentient beings in such a way can not call itself just. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/452 "2018-10-10T18:27:26Z")
> [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](#): > > The slave has yet to complete the most important struggle of faith, the first jihad, the war against the self – upon doubt and disbelief until total and complete submission before God is accomplished in the wandering of the desert of the soul. Until that time, then they are as the Beast made manifest with all its base desires as it wallows in sin, and until that time the absolute submission before God is made then the slave-beast should be regarded with respect to their true nature: as an animal. This is a struggle all people must fight, from the day they are born. Not just slaves. Woe to those who think themselves already proven. ---
**Author:** ![Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vykiomi_kezak-akarin/32/101259_2.png) [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/453 "2018-10-10T18:33:43Z")
The enemy within can only be controlled; never defeated. It is only in constant submission to God that one achieves that control over the Beast of desire and the Deceiver in doubt, in humility to His Will. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/454 "2018-10-12T07:19:18Z")
@Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin So. Earlier, you asserted that a True Amarr laying with a slave would be “bestiality”. Now then, the Udorians were a slave people. And indeed the Empress descends in part from Udorian stock. So, are you not asserting that the Empress is a product of bestiality? I’m pretty sure that would be at least 3 different high crimes. Insulting the Imperial Person and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vykiomi_kezak-akarin/32/101259_2.png) [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/455 "2018-10-12T07:24:27Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Now then, the Udorians _were_ a slave people. Operative word in answer to your question emphasized. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/456 "2018-10-12T08:46:21Z")
No, you don’t get away that easily. Not without you providing full evidence of the ancestry of the Tash Murkon family, and prove that every single Udorian was a free citizen prior to any mingling of Amarr and Udorian ancestry. And bear in mind that there were Amarr who were slaves at the time of the Udorian reclaiming. Note: all I know of the Empress’s ancestry is that “Queen of Udoria”, a historical romance novel featuring a romance between a young Paladin in the Crusades and an Udorian princess, is not available for sale in Tash-Murkon region. ---
**Author:** ![Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vykiomi_kezak-akarin/32/101259_2.png) [@Vykiomi\_Kezak-Akarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vykiomi_Kezak-Akarin)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/457 "2018-10-12T09:22:09Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Not without you providing full evidence of the ancestry of the Tash Murkon family, and prove that every single Udorian was a free citizen prior to any mingling of Amarr and Udorian ancestry. I don’t have to provide evidence. Higher authorities than I have already investigated the genealogy of the Tash-Murkon family in the Book of Records and deemed it pure enough to be on the Privy Council during the reign of the late Imperial Majesty Heideran VII. I accept this and feel no need to question it as the truth from the Theology Council. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-completion-of-the-reclaiming/103299/458 "2019-01-10T09:22:33Z")
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