# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/384 "2017-11-22T19:14:12Z")
That’s literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from any ag, and I’ve seen a lot of stupid stuff… You might as well delete highsec and get the same result 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/385 "2017-11-22T19:19:49Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > > > So anyone (anyone) who drops below 0 for whatever reason, in Highsec, becomes red-flashy… > > Yes. Thats right. What improvements would that offer for the would-be anti-ganker? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/386 "2017-11-22T19:20:01Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > You might as well delete highsec and get the same result Deleting HS is a very different thing than reducing the security rating requirement for free aggression in HS. 0 security rating is an intuitive/rational margin to set it at. ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_yaken/32/382143_2.png) [@Toxic\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/387 "2017-11-22T19:20:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > > > You might as well delete highsec and get the same result > > Deleting HS is a very different thing than reducing the security rating requirement for free aggression in HS. > > 0 security rating is an intuitive margin to set it at. Highsec is only for the goodest of boys and girls. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/388 "2017-11-22T19:30:48Z")
> [@Toxic\_Yaken](#): > > Highsec is only for the goodest of boys and girls. Reducing the security rating rate to 0 would mean HS entities can aggress and engage known criminals interloping on their space, without CONCORD involvement. This returns the security paradigm into player hands, rather than relying on CONCORD as an NPC entity as a solely reactionary response. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/389 "2017-11-22T19:39:19Z")
It would also mean that rookies will be ■■■■■■ And most freighter pilots And most of ag And most of the population Gg Great thinking ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/390 "2017-11-22T19:41:24Z")
Wrong. They all start out with a 5 security rating. You are apparently confusing security rating, with faction/corp rating. They are not the same thing, and completely different mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/392 "2017-11-22T19:44:15Z")
No no no You want a 5.0 sec status, you gotta earn it Just like those who want a -10.0 tag, they work for it Your argument is invalid ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/393 "2017-11-22T19:45:09Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > You want a 5.0 sec status, you gotta earn it You dont need to earn it. You start out with it. Every character ever created in EVE has/had a 5.0 security rating until they performed actions that either increased it or decreased it. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/394 "2017-11-22T19:49:28Z")
And what about those of us who have a 5.0+ sec status? Hmm? You talk before you think… Might want to think your idea and all the impacts it would have ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/395 "2017-11-22T19:53:11Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > And what about those of us who have a 5.0+ sec status? Hmm? Then the change will have no impact on you, except that you will be able to aggress 0 Security rating players in HS without CONCORD interference or security status loss. ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_yaken/32/382143_2.png) [@Toxic\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/396 "2017-11-22T19:56:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Every character ever created in EVE has/had a 5.0 security rating until they performed actions that either increased it or decreased it. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/d/3d169df347e12fde553849600b40795550e2fce7.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/397 "2017-11-22T19:57:14Z")
Yeah, Im pretty sure. Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_yaken/32/382143_2.png) [@Toxic\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/398 "2017-11-22T19:57:58Z")
The first link I could find about it said otherwise: > **[EVE Guide Security Status Explained](https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EVE_Guide_Security_Status_Explained)** > > Wiki article for EVE Guide Security Status Explained :: Wiki > All new pilots start at a security rating of 0, the scale itself ranging from 10 to -10. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/399 "2017-11-22T19:59:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Then the change will have no impact on you, Except that the work I put into it will be lost GG ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/400 "2017-11-22T20:00:10Z")
Ill test it now by creating a new alt. Brb. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/401 "2017-11-22T20:03:27Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Except that the work I put into it will be lost Work into what? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/402 "2017-11-22T20:05:00Z")
Getting my sec status to 5.0? What have we been talking about for the last 20-30 posts? ---
**Author:** ![Toxic\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/toxic_yaken/32/382143_2.png) [@Toxic\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Toxic_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/403 "2017-11-22T20:05:48Z")
Either way, the impact of your proposed change means that gankers that have an interest in maintaining their security status will use their 15 minute downtime to fly to the nearest CONCORD office and tag themselves back over 0.0 security standings, (instead of once they hit -2.0 or lower, and then buy the tags in bulk) while -10 gankers will continue to do things as they always have. Then all of the people who do stuff like the occasional roams into low will suddenly need to either tag themselves or grind everytime they want to roam so they don’t get harassed in Highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/404 "2017-11-22T20:06:02Z")
I was wrong. New toons have a 0 sec status. Nonetheless, the point of my suggestion was to reduce the threshold of HS aggression against known criminals via reducing the sec status required to engage them without CONCORD involvement. Despite my mistake in integer, that remains true. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=21)