# The cost of suicide ganking is too low **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033 "2017-11-17T16:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/585 "2017-11-24T13:14:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Wait so what happens if its a friendly citadel? Shouldnt matter in HS regarding low sec status players. If you are either flagged as a criminal or a capsuleer with low sec status, it would be forbidden for friendly citadels anchored in Empire space to harbor you. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/586 "2017-11-24T13:15:27Z")
What if I’m podded? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/587 "2017-11-24T13:15:36Z")
Yeah thats not going to happen because both CCP and Cit Builders want burning castles in the sky. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/588 "2017-11-24T13:16:43Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > What if I’m podded? Same rules as usual. Your capsuleer sec/criminal status is universal across all clones of it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/589 "2017-11-24T13:18:40Z")
If you prefer, a Citadel could be declared illegal for harboring a low sec/criminal capsuleer, However that creates abuse problems, so I wouldnt recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/590 "2017-11-24T13:21:36Z")
Sounds fun, can i join you some time? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/591 "2017-11-24T13:26:06Z")
Why would you need that when Cit owners can just be wardecced anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/592 "2017-11-24T13:28:05Z")
So I can then dock by getting myself podded? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/593 "2017-11-24T13:28:17Z")
I mean I dont really see how this changes much if anything. How is preventing them from docking going to stop or hinder ganking? Or is it just for the satisfaction of pod removal? Even so, respawn in low, grab the stored sec tags and away again. Or just not even bother and hit from a WH. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/594 "2017-11-24T13:32:24Z")
you re so wrong. Science produces theories. Those theories may be wrong, but scientist make theories so as to match reality as much as possible. ONCE you have a theory you can PROVE something inside that theory. It does NOT prove that used theory is true - and does not need it to be proven true. Studies can PROVE causations in any science field. It needs a lot more work than just exhibiting a correlation. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/595 "2017-11-24T13:36:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > PROVE So are you saying that once a study proves a causation, there is no amount of evidence that can overturn that proof? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/596 "2017-11-24T13:39:08Z")
If this study is correctly done, there won’t. However the premices of the study can be attacked. This happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/597 "2017-11-24T13:40:38Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Lets focus on finding that then. > > Everyone agrees HS needs more PvP. > > I propose we find a suggestion to increase gank potential, commensurate with more opportunity for 3rd parties to intervene. > > We need to move HS aggression away from CONCORD, back to players. A Highsec PvP Focus Group! I don’t know if our CSM representatives have raised our concerns with any passion. I doubt it; many of them seem highly Null/WH orientated. Perhaps you could at least probe them? If they have, then CCP have so far remained silent on the issues - as far as we know. For the gankers, the main issue is the drip-drip assault on our playstyle. Some of us do have wider concerns though, and it’s telling that even these haven’t yet been addressed (wardecs, corp mechanics, for example). Given CCP’s list of Things-to-Keep-Everyone-Quiet-Logged-in-and-Spending, I genuinely doubt we’ll see movement any time soon. I hope I’m wrong, of course. I do think the CSM is the first step (even though I’m doubtful about their effectiveness), because - in the likelihood of being stonewalled by CCP - we can at least talk to them (the CSM) with a reasonable chance of a response, even if they too have been stonewalled. Use the existing channels first? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/598 "2017-11-24T13:43:22Z")
And if there is, evidence that contradicts a study? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/599 "2017-11-24T13:52:11Z")
I don’t get the meaning of you sentence. Let’s say I made a study to test if “cyanide can kill cells”. I prepare a correct protocole implying the counting of dead cells after several delays with various samples, and various elements and same controlled environment with only cells etc. Now I present the result of my experiments, and people do them too. We all agree that “cyanide can kill cells”. To you this is not a proof ? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/600 "2017-11-24T13:59:18Z")
And if someone presents an alternative experiment that “proves” that cyanide doesnt kill cells? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/601 "2017-11-24T14:02:40Z")
Then he doesn’t prove that cyanide can’t kill cells. I don’t get your point. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/602 "2017-11-24T14:04:16Z")
I dont understand what any of this has to do with how much a gankship costs. ---
**Author:** ![Xerogee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xerogee/32/40204_2.png) [@Xerogee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xerogee)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/603 "2017-11-24T14:08:10Z")
Get around High sec completely safely, you high? or just stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033/604 "2017-11-24T14:09:19Z")
You just said “To you this is not a proof ?” Now you say “Then he doesn’t prove”. So which is it. Is it or is it not a proof? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-cost-of-suicide-ganking-is-too-low/40033.md?page=31)